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John Mason · 04-10-2007, 12:09 PM

Earlier in this thread someone hit what I believe is the answer as to why T/D and T/S are included at Divisionals.
Consider this:
Why do we and the fans dislike the .90 classes? Bog and go, hit the throttle stop - wheel race for 1200 feet - all 400 cars trying to run 9.90 or 8.90 - it's not drag racing as we know it. 8.90 @ 180 MPH ?
But - T/D & T/S - low 7's or high 6's, dial in handicap racing, real launches and run it out the back door. Sounds like S/C and S/G without throttle stops.
I think S/C and S/G are gone soon, replaced with T/D and T/S, and all the other Sportsman catagories stay. I think it's a great idea. I'd even watch it.

ford racer · 04-10-2007, 12:43 PM

Mike

Don't know you or even heard of you, but as a Division Director at least you are making a post to the racers and asking for some imput.

I am a Div 4 racer, but have raced at the LV Divisional in Oct 04 and 06, that was after the National Event the previous weekend. I was amazed at the number of the T/D, S/P and T/E cars, and was a little disappointed in the single time runs for S/SS on Friday @ 7:30 am again on Saturday and then a scheduled 1st rd on Sunday, at you guessed it 7:30 am.

This last year at your last race there, Steven Hall was driving my car and he went to the third round where he lost. He goes to the tower to get his check and they tell him they will mail out the$50.00 check to him or who ever was listed on the info card for Payee which was RJS Enterprises. It was the same for the National Event and we got the check then and it was made out to RJS Enterprises.

I guess they were just kidding about sending out the check, because now, 6 months later we have still not been paid. Now I know you will tell me its the Tracks fault, but you are the Division Director and the buck should stop with you. So whats the deal? I bet that if we would have written them a bogus check for the entry fee you would be all over us. So why the double standard?

RJ Sledge

partsbob67 · 04-10-2007, 01:10 PM

just like to thank mike rice for asking our opinions on this instead of just bruching us off and making a decision. hopefully this is the beginning of asking the racers opinions on matters that affect us.

T Janes · 04-10-2007, 03:12 PM

I am not sure Div 7 pay 3rd round, one use to have to go to the 4 th round to get any money.

Racin Mason · 04-10-2007, 05:11 PM

Gecko,
Having someone else drive the car seems like the obvious knee jerk response, but I think over the long run most guys won't want to pay to maintain a separate car for someone else to drive. There are a few guys that do this currently, but I would say they are the exception not the rule.
If people really want more than 1 time run on Friday and 2 on Saturday, car counts must be reduced. Eliminating classes is not a fair option. This seems like the most fair long term solution where everyone still gets to race.

Andys dad · 04-10-2007, 06:21 PM

You are correct Tony - no 3rd round pay out in this division.

You can always make more money but you can never make more time - spend your time wisely

04-10-2007, 09:17 PM

I'm all for running cars past 8:00!!! Anybody think that might be betterthan eliminating classes, cars, drivers, etc.?

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Chad Loge · 04-10-2007, 09:42 PM

I got a check for fifty bucks for third round at firebird points meet. Maybe new this year or somebody made a mistake! Oh, I went right to the local gas station and put it in my tank. Almost filled it up half way!!!!!!!!!!

Andys dad · 04-10-2007, 11:00 PM

I guess we better call - Andy can use the money.

They told us no when I stopped and asked on the way out.

Any way good for you Chad.

See you this weekend.

You can always make more money but you can never make more time - spend your time wisely

ford racer · 04-11-2007, 10:54 AM

Chad

Steven was told in the tower that they would mail out a check for $50.00, so I assumed that they meant to pay us. I know that $50.00 is chump change, but it kind of like why tell us one thing and then do nothing.

I was paid $50.00 at the 04 div race after the National Event on the spot, maybe they just forgot about it.

There were over 128 cars at the 04 and 06 race and they can only pay $50.00 to a 3d round loser......Yeah that makes perfect sense!!

Here in Division 4 we get $100.00 for 3d round loser, I really feel sorry for you guys out West. But like I and others have always said, NHRA could not beat us away with a stick, we just keep coming back for more of the same.

I will never run a Division7 race again, that is sad becasue I always had alot of fun in Vegas. I use to live there years ago and still have friends out there. Too bad the Divisional sucks so much.

The real reason for all the T/D, S/P, S/E is that its all about the money, they could care less about ther S/SS racers. They know that you will all come back for another F**king, twice a year. One time trail on Friday and Saturday and first round on Sunday, 300 Non Championship points racers and they laugh all the way to the bank.

Glad I don't live in Vegas anymore and have to run Div 7, you guys are really getting hosed.

America....ain't it great!!

R J Sledge

04-10-2007, 12:09 PM	#41
John Mason Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 147 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Earlier in this thread someone hit what I believe is the answer as to why T/D and T/S are included at Divisionals. Consider this: Why do we and the fans dislike the .90 classes? Bog and go, hit the throttle stop - wheel race for 1200 feet - all 400 cars trying to run 9.90 or 8.90 - it's not drag racing as we know it. 8.90 @ 180 MPH ? But - T/D & T/S - low 7's or high 6's, dial in handicap racing, real launches and run it out the back door. Sounds like S/C and S/G without throttle stops. I think S/C and S/G are gone soon, replaced with T/D and T/S, and all the other Sportsman catagories stay. I think it's a great idea. I'd even watch it. __________________ John Mason 7743 SS

04-10-2007, 01:10 PM	#43
partsbob67 Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: rohnert park,ca Posts: 414 Likes: 11 Liked 79 Times in 11 Posts	just like to thank mike rice for asking our opinions on this instead of just bruching us off and making a decision. hopefully this is the beginning of asking the racers opinions on matters that affect us. __________________ bob beals 7244

04-10-2007, 06:21 PM	#46
Andys dad VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Arcadia, Ca Posts: 1,571 Likes: 48 Liked 175 Times in 78 Posts	You are correct Tony - no 3rd round pay out in this division. You can always make more money but you can never make more time - spend your time wisely __________________ time is our most precious resource, you can always make more money but you can never make more time spend your time wisely with the ones you love - Ron Durham

04-10-2007, 11:00 PM	#49
Andys dad VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Arcadia, Ca Posts: 1,571 Likes: 48 Liked 175 Times in 78 Posts	I guess we better call - Andy can use the money. They told us no when I stopped and asked on the way out. Any way good for you Chad. See you this weekend. You can always make more money but you can never make more time - spend your time wisely __________________ time is our most precious resource, you can always make more money but you can never make more time spend your time wisely with the ones you love - Ron Durham

04-10-2007, 12:43 PM	#42
ford racer Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 12 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Mike Don't know you or even heard of you, but as a Division Director at least you are making a post to the racers and asking for some imput. I am a Div 4 racer, but have raced at the LV Divisional in Oct 04 and 06, that was after the National Event the previous weekend. I was amazed at the number of the T/D, S/P and T/E cars, and was a little disappointed in the single time runs for S/SS on Friday @ 7:30 am again on Saturday and then a scheduled 1st rd on Sunday, at you guessed it 7:30 am. This last year at your last race there, Steven Hall was driving my car and he went to the third round where he lost. He goes to the tower to get his check and they tell him they will mail out the$50.00 check to him or who ever was listed on the info card for Payee which was RJS Enterprises. It was the same for the National Event and we got the check then and it was made out to RJS Enterprises. I guess they were just kidding about sending out the check, because now, 6 months later we have still not been paid. Now I know you will tell me its the Tracks fault, but you are the Division Director and the buck should stop with you. So whats the deal? I bet that if we would have written them a bogus check for the entry fee you would be all over us. So why the double standard? RJ Sledge

04-10-2007, 03:12 PM	#44
T Janes Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Whittier Ca Posts: 18 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I am not sure Div 7 pay 3rd round, one use to have to go to the 4 th round to get any money.

04-10-2007, 05:11 PM	#45
Racin Mason Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Clemente, CA Posts: 58 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Gecko, Having someone else drive the car seems like the obvious knee jerk response, but I think over the long run most guys won't want to pay to maintain a separate car for someone else to drive. There are a few guys that do this currently, but I would say they are the exception not the rule. If people really want more than 1 time run on Friday and 2 on Saturday, car counts must be reduced. Eliminating classes is not a fair option. This seems like the most fair long term solution where everyone still gets to race.

04-10-2007, 09:17 PM	#47
Jeff Lee Guest Posts: n/a	I'm all for running cars past 8:00!!! Anybody think that might be betterthan eliminating classes, cars, drivers, etc.? NHRA #7494 SS/H 1970 AMC AMX 390 "Best Appearing" @ NHRA '06 Pacific Sports Nationals Arizona's BEST Realtor supports racers! Now celebrating 14 years as a Realtor, Call me @ 602-418-9797 or JeffLeeAzRealty@Qwest.net

04-10-2007, 09:42 PM	#48
Chad Loge Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Brentwood CA Posts: 7 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I got a check for fifty bucks for third round at firebird points meet. Maybe new this year or somebody made a mistake! Oh, I went right to the local gas station and put it in my tank. Almost filled it up half way!!!!!!!!!!

04-11-2007, 10:54 AM	#50
ford racer Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 12 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Chad Steven was told in the tower that they would mail out a check for $50.00, so I assumed that they meant to pay us. I know that $50.00 is chump change, but it kind of like why tell us one thing and then do nothing. I was paid $50.00 at the 04 div race after the National Event on the spot, maybe they just forgot about it. There were over 128 cars at the 04 and 06 race and they can only pay $50.00 to a 3d round loser......Yeah that makes perfect sense!! Here in Division 4 we get $100.00 for 3d round loser, I really feel sorry for you guys out West. But like I and others have always said, NHRA could not beat us away with a stick, we just keep coming back for more of the same. I will never run a Division7 race again, that is sad becasue I always had alot of fun in Vegas. I use to live there years ago and still have friends out there. Too bad the Divisional sucks so much. The real reason for all the T/D, S/P, S/E is that its all about the money, they could care less about ther S/SS racers. They know that you will all come back for another F**king, twice a year. One time trail on Friday and Saturday and first round on Sunday, 300 Non Championship points racers and they laugh all the way to the bank. Glad I don't live in Vegas anymore and have to run Div 7, you guys are really getting hosed. America....ain't it great!! R J Sledge