FORD, 5 NEW S/SS Engines

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Evan Smith

Everyone is entitled to their opinion on what Stock and Super Stock should or should not be, however, I'd hardly say the new cars will make the old ones obsolete. In the big picture there are very few Challengers and CJs, nowhere near enough to "ruin" an entire eliminator. Just ask John Shaul about winning with his "obsolete" 1964 Plymouth.

Evan

IF a new blown Mustang had been there and entered in Pomona and it didnt red light John Shaul would not have had a chance in a heads up run. John was fast but he was also very lucky that none showed up. The problem is the new cars (Fords and Dodge) have a soft HP factor and NHRA is buying the BS. It takes forever to get it right because of the ineffective AHFS and games people play on the track.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

IF a new blown Mustang had been there and entered in Pomona and it didn't red light John Shaul would not have had a chance in a heads up run. John was fast but he was also very lucky that none showed up. The problem is the new cars (Fords and Dodge) have a soft HP factor and NHRA is buying the BS. It takes forever to get it right because of the ineffective AHFS and games people play on the track.

Agreed. I have seen, with my own eyes, some of these new cars dialed more than 1.4 under at a combo race in bracket mode. And they're doing that with engines that have not even been "built" to "blueprinted stocker specs", and in fact have never even been opened up.

We're not talking about one or two cars (that have been thrashed on for twenty years) out of twenty like it/them in the country that could run 1.4 under once, and then not be able to do it after the HP hit, we're talking about a dozen or so cars out of twenty in the country that could not only run 1.4 under, but could do it at least once or twice more after the HP hit, and probably still not have to go into the engine to continue to run 1.2 under.

Anyone who thinks things like that are going to help Stock or Super Stock isn't thinking too clearly.

[Greg Hill]

Before the advent of these purpose built race cars with their purpose built crate motors stock eliminator has always been cars that could be bought at a dealer, liscensed and driven home. I don't care if it was an L-88 Corvette it was street legal. These cars are no more stock eliminator cars than a 37 chevy super gas car. A stroke of the pen changed all that. What's basically been the same for more than 40 years get's changed without input from racers or much if any thought to what the long term consequences are. If you all think taking 3 tenths off the indexes will hurt car counts, wait till these crate motor cars are in every class from AA to J. NHRA let's them in with bogus factors with no regard to us, their customers , who have been doing this for 30 years or more.

I truly think this will have a long term detrimental effect on stock and super stock.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Greg Hill

Before the advent of these purpose built race cars with their purpose built crate motors stock eliminator has always been cars that could be bought at a dealer, liscensed and driven home. I don't care if it was an L-88 Corvette it was street legal. These cars are no more stock eliminator cars than a 37 chevy super gas car. A stroke of the pen changed all that. What's basically been the same for more than 40 years get's changed without input from racers or much if any thought to what the long term consequences are. If you all think taking 3 tenths off the indexes will hurt car counts, wait till these crate motor cars are in every class from AA to J. NHRA let's them in with bogus factors with no regard to us, their customers , who have been doing this for 30 years or more.

I truly think this will have a long term detrimental effect on stock and super stock.

I agree 1000%. They should ALL be Super stock cars and have the HP factors looked at ASAP without waiting 2 or 3 years or more for the AHFS to do it.

[K Stubbs]

Originally Posted by Evan Smith

Everyone is entitled to their opinion on what Stock and Super Stock should or should not be, however, I'd hardly say the new cars will make the old ones obsolete. In the big picture there are very few Challengers and CJs, nowhere near enough to "ruin" an entire eliminator. Just ask John Shaul about winning with his "obsolete" 1964 Plymouth.

Evan

I couldnt agree with you more Evan, and to add to that Jimmy Defrank has one of the most feared cars in Stock eliminator, as far as being fast.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Greg Hill;

wait till these crate motor cars are in every class from AA to J.

I truly think this will have a long term detrimental effect on stock and super stock.

I said EXACTLY the same thing almost a year ago Greg. They didn't hear me then and they won't hear you now! They won't care till one shows up in their neighborhood!

[Bobby DiDomenico]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

Agreed. I have seen, with my own eyes, some of these new cars dialed more than 1.4 under at a combo race in bracket mode. And they're doing that with engines that have not even been "built" to "blueprinted stocker specs", and in fact have never even been opened up.

We're not talking about one or two cars (that have been thrashed on for twenty years) out of twenty like it/them in the country that could run 1.4 under once, and then not be able to do it after the HP hit, we're talking about a dozen or so cars out of twenty in the country that could not only run 1.4 under, but could do it at least once or twice more after the HP hit, and probably still not have to go into the engine to continue to run 1.2 under.

Anyone who thinks things like that are going to help Stock or Super Stock isn't thinking too clearly.

Can someone tell me what the difference is between a IHRA crate motor and an NHRA never been street legal motor?

Like are Wavy Lays different than Ruffles? Or are they both non stock potatoe chips?.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by K Stubbs

I couldnt agree with you more Evan, and to add to that Jimmy Defrank has one of the most feared cars in Stock eliminator, as far as being fast.

I seriously doubt anyone with a new Cobra Jet or a new Drag Pack Challenger is the least bit afraid of Jimmy DeFrank or John Shaul. I don't think they really have much fear of the Sorensons, either.

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

I seriously doubt anyone with a new Cobra Jet or a new Drag Pack Challenger is the least bit afraid of Jimmy DeFrank or John Shaul. I don't think they really have much fear of the Sorensons, either.

its like the terminator movies. the only one who can kill a terminator, is another terminator.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Greg Hill

Before the advent of these purpose built race cars with their purpose built crate motors stock eliminator has always been cars that could be bought at a dealer, liscensed and driven home. I don't care if it was an L-88 Corvette it was street legal.

The L-88 is not the best example. Chevrolet built those cars for the track and did their best to steer them in that direction.

These cars are no more stock eliminator cars than a 37 chevy super gas car.

That is absurd. These cars are what you get if you do away with all the stuff that the Feds have mandated over the last 40 years.

A stroke of the pen changed all that. What's basically been the same for more than 40 years get's changed without input from racers or much if any thought to what the long term consequences are. If you all think taking 3 tenths off the indexes will hurt car counts, wait till these crate motor cars are in every class from AA to J. NHRA let's them in with bogus factors with no regard to us, their customers , who have been doing this for 30 years or more.

The last time that I looked, a lot of the guys involved in these cars have been Class racing for quite some time.