How about those ford cj's at vegas - Page 5

SuperStockDodge · 11-02-2009, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by GUMP

Not everyone wants to race an antique.

If it wasn't for the "Original Cool Older (ANTIQUE) Cars" you wouldn't have the new ones...

I accept the new cars with red carpet, but let's not push out the original iron that was the reason for Stock/Super Stock classes to be created. Those are the cars that have true character!

W J · 11-02-2009, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by GUMP

In 1969 the COPO's were late model junk too!

Hmmm.....only took 40 years to build something that's getting as much or more attention as those COPO cars did, and it had to have a blower bolted on top to get it done, but Ford deserves all the credit w/the CJ.....they're throwing plenty of sand in everyone's jock strap right now....you can't blame them for enjoying it either.

WJ

Bushwacker · 11-03-2009, 01:15 AM

It tickles the **** out of me to see people crying about the CJ's ....When I complained & asked for a fair chance regarding redlights....I believe in worst redlight not 1st redlight... give slower cars an even break.
I was told tough **** build or buy a faster car... Guess what...buy a CJ if you dont like the current rules...
Its a bitch when the rules dont favor you!!! **... LOL....Gotta love all the crybabies who dont mind
screwing a slower class car, pay the price now!!!!!!!

S.E. Buchanan · 11-03-2009, 08:34 AM

I say the only fair way for the new cars (includes Mustangs,Challengers & Camaros)
is to put them in their own class -A/FS (A Factory Stock) at 7:50 lb. break and let
the horsepower battle begin. In very short order the E.T.'s will dictate who needs
horsepower and who doesn'r because it will be Factory Wars again.

Bob Pagano · 11-03-2009, 08:39 AM

Thanks SE, Just like I have been saying all along.

Ed Wright · 11-03-2009, 09:04 AM

Makes sense to me. I won't hold my breath, however.

W J · 11-03-2009, 09:51 AM

Well, Ford is already there w/the CJ car.....Mopar is very close w/the Challenger.....GM is very busy tightening its own noose and trying to get more govt. bailout money to stay afloat rather than worry about much else....The new Camaro needs some work to be competetive w/either of these cars, IMO....like a little more refined LSX motor, straight axle rear, and major lightening to end up w/32-3300 raceweight....hopefully it'll maybe happen and the war will be on once again.....and yes, these 3 new cars really do need a new class to compete against one another in all fairness to everyone involved in this sport... just my .02 cents.... WJ

bill dedman · 11-03-2009, 10:38 AM

I agree with S.E and Bob Pagano, but I think, because of the horsepower factors they'd have, it needs to be a 7 pound, not a 7.5 class. They may end up with a 475 HP factor, which would require them to weigh 3,733, with driver, and that's a LOT of ballast, and leaves them nowhere to go (but S/S) if they pick up even more factored HP (a likelihood), down the road.

A half-pound drop, to 7 pounds would alleviate at least, a little bit of that weight problem, I think.

Just my 2-cents...

Bobby Zlatkin · 11-03-2009, 10:43 AM

As I see it, these new cars don't need their own class to race in. What they need is a realistic HP rating.

The argument about "they're not street legal" don't fly either. No competive stocker is street legal
(e-brake, wipers, horn, compliant exhaust system, etc. Ford made the required 50 and provided specs. for them.

The whole thing boils down to the NHRA giving them a realistic HP rating and how slow NHRA is to react to the obvious bogus rating they have now. Even with the additional 14 HP. It shouldn't take several months or years to get them where they belong because in the meanwhile the guys that have spent years developing their combinations and boocoos of bucks in the process, are getting hosed.

I'm not saying anything that hasn't been said already, but it just seems so obvious. I guess the only guys that are really being hurt are the guys that run in the same classes as the new Mustangs, but those are the guys that have the most invested in their cars. And we're talking about alot of them.

Do I have a dog in this fight? No, I'll always have a mid to low class car. But it just pisses me off to see such an obvious disparity that could be so easily corrected.

Myron Piatek · 11-03-2009, 10:59 AM

Bobby, that's just it. They do need a realistic HP factor. But when they get it, they will be factored out of Stock or have to carry a stupid amount of ballast that will will just end up breaking driveline parts in the end.

The new cars need more HP but the factors should be below what we have now. Kind of like a SS/AH class for Stock, but for all 3 manufacturers and their "Factory Experimental" cars.

11-03-2009, 01:15 AM	#43
Bushwacker Junior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Biloxi MS The Redneck Riviera Posts: 66 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: How about those ford cj's at vegas It tickles the ** out of me to see people crying about the CJ's ....When I complained & asked for a fair chance regarding redlights....I believe in worst redlight not 1st redlight... give slower cars an even break. I was told tough build or buy a faster car... Guess what...buy a CJ if you dont like the current rules... Its a bitch when the rules dont favor you!!! ... LOL....Gotta love all the crybabies who dont mind screwing a slower class car, pay the price now!!!!!!!

11-03-2009, 08:34 AM	#44
S.E. Buchanan Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 37 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: How about those ford cj's at vegas I say the only fair way for the new cars (includes Mustangs,Challengers & Camaros) is to put them in their own class -A/FS (A Factory Stock) at 7:50 lb. break and let the horsepower battle begin. In very short order the E.T.'s will dictate who needs horsepower and who doesn'r because it will be Factory Wars again.

11-03-2009, 08:39 AM	#45
Bob Pagano VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New Holland, PA Mooresville,NC Posts: 1,163 Likes: 239 Liked 16 Times in 11 Posts	Re: How about those ford cj's at vegas Thanks SE, Just like I have been saying all along. __________________ Bob Pagano A/SA

11-03-2009, 09:04 AM	#46
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: How about those ford cj's at vegas Makes sense to me. I won't hold my breath, however. __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

11-03-2009, 09:51 AM	#47
W J Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Paxton, Massachusetts Posts: 638 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: How about those ford cj's at vegas Well, Ford is already there w/the CJ car.....Mopar is very close w/the Challenger.....GM is very busy tightening its own noose and trying to get more govt. bailout money to stay afloat rather than worry about much else....The new Camaro needs some work to be competetive w/either of these cars, IMO....like a little more refined LSX motor, straight axle rear, and major lightening to end up w/32-3300 raceweight....hopefully it'll maybe happen and the war will be on once again.....and yes, these 3 new cars really do need a new class to compete against one another in all fairness to everyone involved in this sport... just my .02 cents.... WJ

11-03-2009, 10:38 AM	#48
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: How about those ford cj's at vegas I agree with S.E and Bob Pagano, but I think, because of the horsepower factors they'd have, it needs to be a 7 pound, not a 7.5 class. They may end up with a 475 HP factor, which would require them to weigh 3,733, with driver, and that's a LOT of ballast, and leaves them nowhere to go (but S/S) if they pick up even more factored HP (a likelihood), down the road. A half-pound drop, to 7 pounds would alleviate at least, a little bit of that weight problem, I think. Just my 2-cents... __________________ Bill

11-03-2009, 10:43 AM	#49
Bobby Zlatkin Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Mills River, NC Posts: 417 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: How about those ford cj's at vegas As I see it, these new cars don't need their own class to race in. What they need is a realistic HP rating. The argument about "they're not street legal" don't fly either. No competive stocker is street legal (e-brake, wipers, horn, compliant exhaust system, etc. Ford made the required 50 and provided specs. for them. The whole thing boils down to the NHRA giving them a realistic HP rating and how slow NHRA is to react to the obvious bogus rating they have now. Even with the additional 14 HP. It shouldn't take several months or years to get them where they belong because in the meanwhile the guys that have spent years developing their combinations and boocoos of bucks in the process, are getting hosed. I'm not saying anything that hasn't been said already, but it just seems so obvious. I guess the only guys that are really being hurt are the guys that run in the same classes as the new Mustangs, but those are the guys that have the most invested in their cars. And we're talking about alot of them. Do I have a dog in this fight? No, I'll always have a mid to low class car. But it just pisses me off to see such an obvious disparity that could be so easily corrected. __________________ Bobby & Norene Zlatkin L/SA

11-03-2009, 10:59 AM	#50
Myron Piatek VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Florida Posts: 1,542 Likes: 34 Liked 138 Times in 51 Posts	Re: How about those ford cj's at vegas Bobby, that's just it. They do need a realistic HP factor. But when they get it, they will be factored out of Stock or have to carry a stupid amount of ballast that will will just end up breaking driveline parts in the end. The new cars need more HP but the factors should be below what we have now. Kind of like a SS/AH class for Stock, but for all 3 manufacturers and their "Factory Experimental" cars. __________________ LOCOMOTION Racing