CJ OUT at Indy!!

[Larry Fulton]

Originally Posted by Mike Voth

Allen Patterson got his motor sealed today too, so that will be interesting in and of itself.

Mike what are you referring to here?

[JEFF ESSMANN]

i think the reason allen patterson got his motor inspected and sealed was his class record was open
and his qualifing times gave him the back up needed to get the record even though he got beat in the final.
atleast that is what it looks like from the internet reports and i,m not there so its just a quess on my part.

[Greg Hill]

You can't set a record at a national event.

[Tony Janes]

No records or back ups are set at Nationals Events for Sportsman LODRS only or National Opens.

[buzzinhalfdozen]

OK easy everyone they didn't just decipher the dead sea scrolls, after talking directly with someone closely involved in this it seems to be nothing more than one hand of Ford not knowing what the other hand was doing. I'll leave it to someone else to fully explain but hey they could probably stack 2 head gaskets and go just as fast. Please try to wait till the full story comes out on this before labeling these guys, doubt they would bring something that was obviously illegal to a race with a 99% chance of tear down. Joe

[OLD INJUN]

Originally Posted by 442OLDS

If they tossed a couple CJ cars,then how can the other ones be fine?Aren't they all the same except for weight and transmission type?



Sorry,this question has already been asked.


And it sure does seem silly to worry about what kind of pistons a car has when it has a supercharger on it.

442OLDS
You have a pm.

[JEFF ESSMANN]

sorry abought the misinformation i was not aware you couldnt set a record at a national event.
i never been quick enough to have to worry abought it but atleast it sounded good in therory
now you all also know why i wasnt there just not fast enough have a nice day

[james schaechter]

Originally Posted by buzzinhalfdozen

OK easy everyone they didn't just decipher the dead sea scrolls, after talking directly with someone closely involved in this it seems to be nothing more than one hand of Ford not knowing what the other hand was doing. I'll leave it to someone else to fully explain but hey they could probably stack 2 head gaskets and go just as fast. Please try to wait till the full story comes out on this before labeling these guys, doubt they would bring something that was obviously illegal to a race with a 99% chance of tear down. Joe

I spoke with a couple of the CJ guys that actually know these pretty well. Ford submitted a production tolerance average instead of a minimum spec. I guess the guy that submitted the info was there and they were taking turns beating him LOL. I am sure the memo to correct this was already drafted. I also don't think the guys could have even reassembled the engines without some help. There are some tools that make the impossible possible. Maybe Ford will come out with a CJ teardown kit!

I don't see this piston dish spec or any other as any real issue. Ford will submit it and NHRA will accept it. These are really cool cars and they guys that I talked to Jimmy Ronzello and George Wright are nice guys and dedicated racers. I don't agree with the hp factor and class they are in, but I can't blame those guys for that.


I think the guy that got "jobbed" in teardown for stock was Tim Bishop. They couldn't read the entire number on his piston. He pulled a piston and rod. It weighed right, measured right and looked right. I would agree this would be something that should be reviewed, but that is what the big guy is there for at Indy right? I would have thought if a couple of senior tech guys said it was right, but they can't verify the # but it was clearly legal, the Head NHRA tech official would be able to make a call that would make sense. I guess he only flies out from California to eat the catered food and sit in the tower.

I didn't hang out in teardown, but I did talk to a couple of SS guys. One had a set of Manley rods that were not marked and was tossed and one he a chunk of epoxy that fell out and as luck would have it, that was the runner they checked!

[Big Angry Hillbilly]

Being a Ford mechanic, these DOHC supercharged motors are definately no fun to take apart, and likely something you are not going to have time to pull down between rounds.

You don't NEED special tools to time these, but it does make life a LOT easier.

Getting a head off a 4.6 SOHC in chassis is not a real fun task, I can't imagine a 32v motor in that chassis. Only 32v motors I've torn apart have either been in a Navigator, or on a stand.

[Ed Wright]

Those things make my Firebird look easy. I don't envy them. I pulled the engine this weekend to replace the valve springs.