A new idea for the Super Stock GT Class - Page 5

Don Kennedy · 05-01-2009, 08:31 AM

My idea is very simple ,not complicated as some think all I want NHRA to do is simply allow another body style to be used in the Super Stock GT classes , with American engines . NHRA already has the specs for the engines and already has the specs for the building of the front wheel drive cars to rear wheel drive cars to fit in Super Stock GT classes only . I have not mention to allow the foreign cars to run with their present engine combinations as that is already allowed now any way....

Dick Butler said "Unfortunately your idea favors more of NHRAs dilution of competition,not strengthening it. More combos, less monitoring of tech, more out of game combos with bogus capability"

This will not dilute any class only offer more options for racers to chose a body style to race , Plus it seems the american factories have gone soft in Performance , I said it seems I hope i am wrong.

for a example the Toyota Solara

The Toyota Camry Solara is a mid-size coupe/convertible produced by Toyota in two generations so far. It is based on the Toyota Camry
and shares both the Camry's 2.4 L I4 and 3.3 L V6 engines. It is built exclusively for the North American market and sold only in the United States and Canada. The second generation Camry Solara is built in a Toyota's factory in Kentucky. It is the 2-door Camry's successor. In Canada, it is known only as the Toyota Solara.[IMG]My idea is very simple ,not complicated as some think all I want NHRA to do is simply allow another body style to be used in the Super Stock GT classes , with American engines . NHRA already has the specs for the engines and already has the specs for the building of the front wheel drive cars to rear wheel drive cars to fit in Super Stock GT classes only . I have not mention to allow the foreign cars to run with their present engine combinations as that is already allowed now any way. This car would be a killer Pro stock body with Toyotas Money behind racing a good idea. plus they only weigh around 3200

Don Kennedy · 05-01-2009, 09:06 AM

FYI will try to get some updated figures

GM, ford and Chrysler do build a very large percentage of their cars here. Here are the 2006 production numbers:

..............US..................Canada.......... ....Mexico...........Japan............Total
GM-----3,095,109...............795,800............508,817 .......0,000,000........4,399,726
Toyota--829,703............319,940..............34,666.... .....1,179,621..........2,363,930

GM sold ..........4,065,341
Toyota sold ....2,542,525

Don Kennedy · 05-01-2009, 09:08 AM

I am trying to post a picture

[/IMG]

Harry 6674 · 05-01-2009, 09:11 AM

Toyota screws up every racing venue they get involved in so I don't think we need them. I really don't believe toyota would invest any money so we could rip their engines out and put american power in their car. They would take that as a slap in the face of the rising sun. By the way the factory in Kentucky in not a member of the UAW. Probably not union at all don't know, don't care, will never own a jap car. They may employ a few americans in their factories here but the big money goes back home. Just my opinion but how about keeping SS traditional and sending the rest back to comp where they belong. I would be interested in that.

Don Kennedy · 05-01-2009, 09:16 AM

Harry: Do you have any facts to back up your comments? Or is this just an observation on your part? Which could be true?who knows?

Don Kennedy · 05-01-2009, 09:19 AM

Steve Williams said "You are not all there and your posts in this thread show that. Non USA cars in Stock and Super Stock. Give me a break. Do you know anything about these cars? Do you know anybody that does that can tech them? You are absolutely lost. Just my opinion-but for a long time Pontiac racer to say what you said you have lost your mind. I thought better of you than that. I don't anticipate posting on this thread any further as this thread takes the cake for talking out your rear end.

Steve

A long time fan of you and your efforts. Not anymore....

Steve Chill this is not a big deal at all just a very simple request to offer more options for Racers and NHRA , all I am advocating is to let the racers use other body styles in Super Stock GT classes only very simple idea
I have not gone over to the other side yet

Dick Butler · 05-01-2009, 09:30 AM

Don, I see your comment about " not diluting the classes". I accept that statement for motor combinations but how about the chassis mods to fit a small block, a big block a hood clearance? The simpler the better would help our racing but that ship sailed with old cars new motors and the continual added combos each year....

Don Kennedy · 05-01-2009, 09:35 AM

Not 100% sure these weights are correct but ?

Mustang GT500 3,920lb
Camaro SS 3,860lb
Challenger SRT8 4,140lb
Toyota Solara 3,200 lbs

[/IMG] Looks like the new Pro Stock and Super Stock future to me ,hey Toyota is already involved with NHRA with a funny car

Don Kennedy · 05-01-2009, 10:28 AM

Ok let all address the Pro Stockers ,

let see NHRA can go to Pontiac opps there are no longer around ,

ok they can go to Chrysler opps they are just about done in the performance end maybe,

ok we can go to Chevy opps those cars are well ok but I suspect they will be done also soon ,

ok we can go to Ford for the Pro stockers ,hmm interesting but I suspect their bottom line is not going to be good soon,

ok lets go to Toyota hmm looks ok to me they have the cars and just maybe this would be a good
time to get more involved with advertising their models and use all the coatails of the past advertising in Pro Stock to get their product before the public .

oh where will Pro Stock Go Mustangs ?????

anyone got any new ideas ???

herbjr · 05-01-2009, 11:51 AM

As a former track operator who also races S and SS something needs to be done. I didnt race for 8 years adn when I came back I was still the young guy in the lanes at 36. I was obviously young at 28 as well. The more "we" bitch as races the less NH and IHRA will want us. I have been on both sides of the fence so I know what I'm talking about. My son will be 16 soon and I am fixing him a stocker and a SS car to race. I just hope he can race and see how it was done when his granddaddy was around. Besides I figure a Stocker and SS car is cheaper than rehab somewhere and i know where he is all the time.

Herb McCandless Jr

05-01-2009, 08:31 AM	#41
Don Kennedy VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Near Portland TN Posts: 1,590 Likes: 3,876 Liked 902 Times in 237 Posts	Re: A new idea for the Super Stock GT Class My idea is very simple ,not complicated as some think all I want NHRA to do is simply allow another body style to be used in the Super Stock GT classes , with American engines . NHRA already has the specs for the engines and already has the specs for the building of the front wheel drive cars to rear wheel drive cars to fit in Super Stock GT classes only . I have not mention to allow the foreign cars to run with their present engine combinations as that is already allowed now any way.... Dick Butler said "Unfortunately your idea favors more of NHRAs dilution of competition,not strengthening it. More combos, less monitoring of tech, more out of game combos with bogus capability" This will not dilute any class only offer more options for racers to chose a body style to race , Plus it seems the american factories have gone soft in Performance , I said it seems I hope i am wrong. for a example the Toyota Solara The Toyota Camry Solara is a mid-size coupe/convertible produced by Toyota in two generations so far. It is based on the Toyota Camry and shares both the Camry's 2.4 L I4 and 3.3 L V6 engines. It is built exclusively for the North American market and sold only in the United States and Canada. The second generation Camry Solara is built in a Toyota's factory in Kentucky. It is the 2-door Camry's successor. In Canada, it is known only as the Toyota Solara.[IMG]My idea is very simple ,not complicated as some think all I want NHRA to do is simply allow another body style to be used in the Super Stock GT classes , with American engines . NHRA already has the specs for the engines and already has the specs for the building of the front wheel drive cars to rear wheel drive cars to fit in Super Stock GT classes only . I have not mention to allow the foreign cars to run with their present engine combinations as that is already allowed now any way. This car would be a killer Pro stock body with Toyotas Money behind racing a good idea. plus they only weigh around 3200 __________________ Don Kennedy 7701 SS Last edited by Don Kennedy; 05-01-2009 at 08:59 AM.

05-01-2009, 09:06 AM	#42
Don Kennedy VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Near Portland TN Posts: 1,590 Likes: 3,876 Liked 902 Times in 237 Posts	Re: A new idea for the Super Stock GT Class FYI will try to get some updated figures GM, ford and Chrysler do build a very large percentage of their cars here. Here are the 2006 production numbers: ..............US..................Canada.......... ....Mexico...........Japan............Total GM-----3,095,109...............795,800............508,817 .......0,000,000........4,399,726 Toyota--829,703............319,940..............34,666.... .....1,179,621..........2,363,930 GM sold ..........4,065,341 Toyota sold ....2,542,525 __________________ Don Kennedy 7701 SS Last edited by Don Kennedy; 05-01-2009 at 09:16 AM.

05-01-2009, 09:08 AM	#43
Don Kennedy VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Near Portland TN Posts: 1,590 Likes: 3,876 Liked 902 Times in 237 Posts	Re: A new idea for the Super Stock GT Class I am trying to post a picture [/IMG] __________________ Don Kennedy 7701 SS Last edited by Don Kennedy; 05-01-2009 at 09:14 AM.

05-01-2009, 09:11 AM	#44
Harry 6674 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 589 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: A new idea for the Super Stock GT Class Toyota screws up every racing venue they get involved in so I don't think we need them. I really don't believe toyota would invest any money so we could rip their engines out and put american power in their car. They would take that as a slap in the face of the rising sun. By the way the factory in Kentucky in not a member of the UAW. Probably not union at all don't know, don't care, will never own a jap car. They may employ a few americans in their factories here but the big money goes back home. Just my opinion but how about keeping SS traditional and sending the rest back to comp where they belong. I would be interested in that.

05-01-2009, 09:16 AM	#45
Don Kennedy VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Near Portland TN Posts: 1,590 Likes: 3,876 Liked 902 Times in 237 Posts	Re: A new idea for the Super Stock GT Class Harry: Do you have any facts to back up your comments? Or is this just an observation on your part? Which could be true?who knows? __________________ Don Kennedy 7701 SS

05-01-2009, 09:19 AM	#46
Don Kennedy VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Near Portland TN Posts: 1,590 Likes: 3,876 Liked 902 Times in 237 Posts	Re: A new idea for the Super Stock GT Class Steve Williams said "You are not all there and your posts in this thread show that. Non USA cars in Stock and Super Stock. Give me a break. Do you know anything about these cars? Do you know anybody that does that can tech them? You are absolutely lost. Just my opinion-but for a long time Pontiac racer to say what you said you have lost your mind. I thought better of you than that. I don't anticipate posting on this thread any further as this thread takes the cake for talking out your rear end. Steve A long time fan of you and your efforts. Not anymore.... Steve Chill this is not a big deal at all just a very simple request to offer more options for Racers and NHRA , all I am advocating is to let the racers use other body styles in Super Stock GT classes only very simple idea I have not gone over to the other side yet __________________ Don Kennedy 7701 SS Last edited by Don Kennedy; 05-01-2009 at 09:44 AM.

05-01-2009, 09:30 AM	#47
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: A new idea for the Super Stock GT Class Don, I see your comment about " not diluting the classes". I accept that statement for motor combinations but how about the chassis mods to fit a small block, a big block a hood clearance? The simpler the better would help our racing but that ship sailed with old cars new motors and the continual added combos each year....

05-01-2009, 09:35 AM	#48
Don Kennedy VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Near Portland TN Posts: 1,590 Likes: 3,876 Liked 902 Times in 237 Posts	Re: A new idea for the Super Stock GT Class Not 100% sure these weights are correct but ? Mustang GT500 3,920lb Camaro SS 3,860lb Challenger SRT8 4,140lb Toyota Solara 3,200 lbs [/IMG] Looks like the new Pro Stock and Super Stock future to me ,hey Toyota is already involved with NHRA with a funny car __________________ Don Kennedy 7701 SS Last edited by Don Kennedy; 05-01-2009 at 10:12 AM.

05-01-2009, 10:28 AM	#49
Don Kennedy VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Near Portland TN Posts: 1,590 Likes: 3,876 Liked 902 Times in 237 Posts	Re: A new idea for the Super Stock GT Class Ok let all address the Pro Stockers , let see NHRA can go to Pontiac opps there are no longer around , ok they can go to Chrysler opps they are just about done in the performance end maybe, ok we can go to Chevy opps those cars are well ok but I suspect they will be done also soon , ok we can go to Ford for the Pro stockers ,hmm interesting but I suspect their bottom line is not going to be good soon, ok lets go to Toyota hmm looks ok to me they have the cars and just maybe this would be a good time to get more involved with advertising their models and use all the coatails of the past advertising in Pro Stock to get their product before the public . oh where will Pro Stock Go Mustangs ????? anyone got any new ideas ??? __________________ Don Kennedy 7701 SS

05-01-2009, 11:51 AM	#50
herbjr VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Greensboro NC Posts: 1,027 Likes: 1 Liked 83 Times in 32 Posts	Re: A new idea for the Super Stock GT Class As a former track operator who also races S and SS something needs to be done. I didnt race for 8 years adn when I came back I was still the young guy in the lanes at 36. I was obviously young at 28 as well. The more "we" bitch as races the less NH and IHRA will want us. I have been on both sides of the fence so I know what I'm talking about. My son will be 16 soon and I am fixing him a stocker and a SS car to race. I just hope he can race and see how it was done when his granddaddy was around. Besides I figure a Stocker and SS car is cheaper than rehab somewhere and i know where he is all the time. Herb McCandless Jr