Pontiac 455 hp reduction

[RonB]

Originally Posted by Glenn Briglio

That someone is me. I got hp removed and Nhra looked into the aluminum head in a Camaro. There was never this combo. It was an error by Nhra when put in in 1989. But still get to run it for this year.

I guess Glenn doesn't have to worry too much about hurting his combo this year - zoommmm!

Ron B.

[Rob Petrie E395]

So what was the end result of the lawsuit?

[bigshow2966]

I always heard rumors of that lawsuit. I always thought it was a urban legend. Apparently it wasn't. I started going to 30 in 74. Story I remember was Pontiac won, but I heard all different amounts from $10K to $100K.

[Jeff Stout]

Speed shoo won. All the money was used for lawyers. I'm still looking for story it is a good read on the end result.
Started going to US30 in 67 with my parents. I actually raced my car from 1977 to closing.

[FED 387]

if you don't want to read up on it I'll save you the suspense HE LOST on all 5 counts--- but it's case number 70C 3023
Wilbur A Heinemann vs General Motors Corp
342 F. Supp .203 ND Ill. 1972

[nolongerracing]

Originally Posted by Glenn Briglio

That someone is me. I got hp removed and Nhra looked into the aluminum head in a Camaro. There was never this combo. It was an error by Nhra when put in in 1989. But still get to run it for this year.

Did this combo run at the Gainesville LODRS in March 2021? Or is that a misprint?

[James Perrone]

Wow.
Combo doesn’t exist.. And it’s under factored
..but it’s ok your the only one with combo ...this is fair ?
But it’s only for 1 year. WTF ?
So you can go to a class race and win and that’s ok?
Glad I don’t run his class

[Signman]

Originally Posted by James Perrone

Wow.
Combo doesn’t exist.. And it’s under factored
..but it’s ok your the only one with combo ...this is fair ?
But it’s only for 1 year. WTF ?
So you can go to a class race and win and that’s ok?
Glad I don’t run his class

Not sure it's all that much of an advantage over what everyone running the TPI 350 in Camaros are doing.
The flat top iron head 1990 is now at 281 most everyone just changed year to 1989 installed dish pistons at 270.

Glenn decided to work with the aluminum head which was 270 now 266 so 4 hp gift but looks like it runs the same class as the iron 89.

Looked hard at this head 10 years ago compared to the iron head: It's a copy with smaller chamber plus point of compression but no port improvement. We thought at the time apples to apples (not considering it's much higher rating 10 years ago) not better than the iron head even with smaller chamber and point of compression without port improvement and thermal characteristics of aluminum the iron head would be better. That was the opinion at the time plus adding higher hp rating at that time: Now a 4hp advantage if it really matters.

Glenn is a smart guy has found something has done the work and gets to have fun for one season with it. Wish him luck.

Being fast showing it off is fun, if your goal is to win you need a second under car where ever you race to be a threat in heads ups, set up to be able to qualify where you want on the ladder then you got yourself a weapon.

[rtaylor3410]

I don't disagree with anything you mentioned and certainly don't have a problem with what Glenn is doing, that is part of class racing finding combos with potential and working hard to go fast. My question is based on the rules of the AHFS, how did this combo qualify for a HP reduction. The rule says In addition, the engine family must NOT make two runs of 0.650 or quicker or any run 0.850 or quicker during the review period, for the review to continue. Car #2237made at least 5 runs of more than .8 under at Gainesville in March of 2021.

[GUMP]

Mineshaft?