NHRA ProStock changes coming!

[CobraJET5.0]

Originally Posted by russellauto1

How about taking away points or fining them for incomplete or abandoned runs. No one wants to sit through a session of 12 out of 16 cars making 60ft runs. Same For FC and TF.

Or give them points for completing the run. Either way, It will get more exciting.

That is one of the stupidest things I have ever read. They should drive the cars until they end up in the wall or up side down? Get real dude.

[joespanova]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

The class was dying when they were catering the rules to suit a given combination. It does not work. Any brief spike seen in attendance and participation when it is tried is short lived, at best.

The rules are the same for everyone right now. You have 2350 pounds, 500 cubic inches, and 5 manually shifted forward speeds for everyone, GM, Ford, and Chrysler. The only thing keeping Ford out of Pro Stock is Ford, period, plain and simple. It is unfortunate for Ford fans that Ford is not willing to put forth the effort, but that is a decision that Ford has made, despite the efforts of guys such as Morgan and Cunningham, among others.

Alan the "oracle' of Class Racer......you always seem to have an "long winded" answer for everything.......... but seem non receptive to anything that doesn't align with your way of thinking.
500 inch engines and carbs are , in fact , archaic....... no longer appropriate for or indicative of , anything coming from the big 3. That concept should have died 30 years ago.
Pro Stock truck sucked , frankly , because like myself , most didn't CARE for a "truck" as a platform for a drag car. That should have been applied to the CARS..
As I stated in another thread......this will be interesting to see who cries the loudest and what new life is injected in to ProStock .

[JHeath]

Ford saw Pro Stock as a bottomless money pit, with no return on investment, to say they are not in Pro Stock because of that is a clueless statement. Same for them dumping John Force, no reason to spend $$$ with little or no return, same as Castrol did.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by joespanova

Alan the "oracle' of Class Racer......you always seem to have an "long winded" answer for everything.......... but seem non receptive to anything that doesn't align with your way of thinking.
500 inch engines and carbs are , in fact , archaic....... no longer appropriate for or indicative of , anything coming from the big 3. That concept should have died 30 years ago.
Pro Stock truck sucked , frankly , because like myself , most didn't CARE for a "truck" as a platform for a drag car. That should have been applied to the CARS..
As I stated in another thread......this will be interesting to see who cries the loudest and what new life is injected in to ProStock .

Thanks joe. Have a nice day.

[randy wilson]

Originally Posted by Superfan1

The attendance on Thursday at Indy has definitely increased the last couple of years because of the Factory Stock Showdown. I don't know if you would call it a crowd; but it is certainly heading in that direction.

Ok, I'll give you that. We need to work in the right direction, but it needs to be locally.

[doglover44]

I think it will be a good change for the class interesting to see what will happen. Wonder what Drew Skillman thinks on this ?

[charlie westcott]

I sent this letter to NHRA today. Not expecting much out of it, but I felt it needed to be said.


As you know, I am in the process of building a PS car. I keep hearing these rumors online, and hearing the BS spewed by people that have no clue, "keyboard racers". It offends me when people slam the class that people like me have looked up to their whole lives.
I am well aware that your organization owns the sand box that I play in, and I will as always abide by the rules of whatever class I choose to run in, but it scares me when I hear that you want to make wholesale changes to a mainstay of NHRA drag racing.
I feel that it is opportunistic to say that it needs "fixing" because of poor car counts, when every class there has poor turnout. I remember when there were 100 ss cars at a points meet, when now there are 50. Does that need fixing as well?
If the class is made so the "average" racer can do it, what will happen is a bunch of people will jump in the first year, then after they figure out that the same people that dominated before, will continue to do so, they will go back to racing whatever they were before, or quit, which no one needs.
The argument is commonly made that "new cars dont have carburetors". Well, new cars also have 4 doors, and front wheel drive, so why dont the keyboard racers lobby for a class for them also.
The problem as I see it is, the people dont know about, or care about the drivers. There arent many driver/tuners/builders like there used to be. Everyone has a big wallet and rents a motor, or car, blows their wad, then when they run out of money, they quit.
If the rules are changed, the people with the most money/manpower are going to dominate, then rent motors to the others, and we are right back to where we are.

I have spent around 150K on my project so far, and am actually real close to putting the engine in the car to go test. I feel like now I have to hurry up before our class is gone.

I have listened to (name withheld by me) spew about how PS sucks, and the new cars are the way to go, and feel that as a marketing person, his arguments are self serving, and good for no one.

The new cars arent bringing "new" blood into the sport, how many young racers do you know that can spend 90k on a car to run stock? The buyers of those cars are more rich guys, that know nothing about the roots of drag racing.

I dont know if I will see you at indy this year, I think I am going to stay here and try to get my new car ready so I can run it before its obsolete.

thanks
cw

[russellauto1]

Hey, It was just a suggestion. I thought This Was A talk Forum To discuss different ideas and subjects. You don't need to make stupid negative comments on suggestions.


I have seen alot Heavier Cars with Smaller tires and alot more motor get down a track Half as good as a National Event Prepped Surface. Not really any reason a pro stock car can't get down the track.

Pro Stock is my Favorite Class. I also Liked Pro Stock Truck.

[Chuck Rayburn]

Originally Posted by charlie westcott

I sent this letter to NHRA today. Not expecting much out of it, but I felt it needed to be said.


As you know, I am in the process of building a PS car. I keep hearing these rumors online, and hearing the BS spewed by people that have no clue, "keyboard racers". It offends me when people slam the class that people like me have looked up to their whole lives.
I am well aware that your organization owns the sand box that I play in, and I will as always abide by the rules of whatever class I choose to run in, but it scares me when I hear that you want to make wholesale changes to a mainstay of NHRA drag racing.
I feel that it is opportunistic to say that it needs "fixing" because of poor car counts, when every class there has poor turnout. I remember when there were 100 ss cars at a points meet, when now there are 50. Does that need fixing as well?
If the class is made so the "average" racer can do it, what will happen is a bunch of people will jump in the first year, then after they figure out that the same people that dominated before, will continue to do so, they will go back to racing whatever they were before, or quit, which no one needs.
The argument is commonly made that "new cars dont have carburetors". Well, new cars also have 4 doors, and front wheel drive, so why dont the keyboard racers lobby for a class for them also.
The problem as I see it is, the people dont know about, or care about the drivers. There arent many driver/tuners/builders like there used to be. Everyone has a big wallet and rents a motor, or car, blows their wad, then when they run out of money, they quit.
If the rules are changed, the people with the most money/manpower are going to dominate, then rent motors to the others, and we are right back to where we are.

I have spent around 150K on my project so far, and am actually real close to putting the engine in the car to go test. I feel like now I have to hurry up before our class is gone.

I have listened to (name withheld by me) spew about how PS sucks, and the new cars are the way to go, and feel that as a marketing person, his arguments are self serving, and good for no one.

The new cars arent bringing "new" blood into the sport, how many young racers do you know that can spend 90k on a car to run stock? The buyers of those cars are more rich guys, that know nothing about the roots of drag racing.

I dont know if I will see you at indy this year, I think I am going to stay here and try to get my new car ready so I can run it before its obsolete.

thanks
cw

Well said. Couldn't agree with you more. Pro Stock does not need fixed! Give em hell, Charlie.

[JHeath]

[QUOTE=russellauto1;476734]Hey, It was just a suggestion. I thought This Was A talk Forum To discuss different ideas and subjects. You don't need to make stupid negative comments on suggestions.


I have seen alot Heavier Cars with Smaller tires and alot more motor get down a track Half as good as a National Event Prepped Surface. Not really any reason a pro stock car can't get down the track.

Pro Stock is my Favorite Class. I also Liked Pro Stock Truck.

When was the last time YOU ran a Pro Stock car down a race track ? And exactly how many times did these "Heavier cars with Smaller tires get down the track ?