Vegas LODRS - Page 4

RocketBlock · 04-08-2007, 01:57 AM

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I believe Top Dragster & Top Sportsman had about 80 cars at D7-1. They do not run for points or championships. Why are they included in the program? I believe they took over two 1/2 hours to run at that event. I lost count. They take their time towing up, they burnout across the line and then they make tuning changes while they sit in front of the line trying to act just like T/F racers. Same story for Top Sportsman. The same 2.5 hour period would take care of 150+ stock and super stock cars. But then again, they have no tear down or post race inspections to contend with. It seems to us that these are enhancements with race reductions and no time to run a race will get us booted right out the gate sooner than latter.

3 pages latter, some of you are finally catching on!

RocketBlock · 04-08-2007, 01:59 AM

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I have also heard a rumor NHRA will no longer offer altitude correction factors at tracks like Vegas and index will now be off sea level. What is the rationale behind that decision if this rumor is true? Is NHRA trying to make it impossible to set a national record in the high regions of the USA? Or is it because NHRA tech is overworked with these huge car counts?

So any truth to this rumor?

Bill Belden · 04-08-2007, 12:18 PM

The altitude factors should be either adjusted or gotten rid of, some of the records are 1.50 under the standard (sea level) index.
If the factors were set at a more reasonable rate, no problem, but if they continue to use the factors as they are set, then they should be tossed.
The bottom line is why should someone have their cake and eat it too.
If I run 1.40 under I get HP, 1.40 under at a factored track you get a record and no HP

1100 I/S

Earle Holt · 04-08-2007, 12:25 PM

Absolutely Bill!

I don't understand why all tracks don't have standardized and calibrated weather stations. I'm sure there are companies that would love to be the "official weather station of the NHRA." This way records could be corrected to sea level no matter if you are racing in Atco, NJ or Bandimere, CO.

We can still give racers kudos for putting a big number on the board but not penalize racers across the country for someone running a stout number in mineshaft conditions or running a "calculated" number at a factored track.

Incognito Gecko · 04-08-2007, 11:59 PM

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II have also heard a rumor NHRA will no longer offer altitude correction factors at tracks like Vegas and index will now be off sea level.

so........... what is the answer.........?????????

Mike Rice · 04-09-2007, 03:52 PM

Let me answer a few questions...
#1 - factors at altitude tracks
To my knowledge, there is nothing on the table to change these

#2 - As for TD, TS, and MX not being points earning categories
NOT TRUE. All three run for divisional championships

#3 - As to the creation of two NEW classes
NOT TRUE, just reorganized two that already existed (TC and SE)

#4 - or should I even keep going.

Bottom line is this, these classes are here AND part of the program. I was not asking to debate with you whether they belong or not, I was asking your thoughts on the run schedule that I was working on.

Based on numerous e-mail replies and replies printed here, we will go with one Friday and two Saturday. Friday rotation will start at 8AM with STK, SST, SG, and then SS. Saturday rotation (also beginning at 8AM) will have SS, STK, SST, MC, SS, STK (all before Noon). This will give plenty of time to any of those setting records to tear down.

I would love to give everyone four hits at every race, but that's pretty rare in this division. Why don't you bash TAD/TAFC because we have so many? Or how about the three guys that grenaded rearends at Firebird?

OK, I'll stop now. Thanks to those that gave INPUT, not complaints.

BTW, I plan on having a get together with STK/SS racers at Vegas LODRS event, after all it appears your afternoons will be free.

Mike

Racin Mason · 04-09-2007, 09:02 PM

I like the idea of 1 run Friday and 2 on Saturday. Unless I am trying to set a record or solve a problem, I don't need 3 runs and an extra day of sitting around doing nothing. I would love to show up at all the divisionals Friday afternoon and be set for the weekend.
Mike brings up some good points. Let's say Division 7 did got rid of T/S and T/D, I think all of those cars would just turn the throttle stop back on and go back to S/C. Eliminating these categories won't reduce car counts, it just moves them around.
In my opinion, if you want to reduce car counts so we all get more runs, don't allow one person to run multiple cars. Now I realize this will be unpopular w/ many super stock racers driving stockers as well, but as I walk around the Div 7 pits I see at least 25% of these .90 guys w/ S/G cars and S/C cars w/ the same name on the window. Get rid of the multiple cars for one driver and you get rid of a lot of cars, but no actual racers get left out.

Bruce Fulper · 04-09-2007, 10:13 PM

"BTW, I plan on having a get together with STK/SS racers at Vegas LODRS event, after all it appears your afternoons will be free.
Mike"

Funny guy!

BBQ on Mike? heh, heh...

If that Bullet train project was done I'd hop it just to make that meeting.

Lower gas prices now.....

Andys dad · 04-09-2007, 10:50 PM

Mike please read my post on the extra non-qualifying back up run on Friday for the few that will need it. They must have set the record and had an "R" - in this way they do not need to tear down Saturday.

You probably already read it but figured there would be too many complaints.

BTW - I agree with you - I wish threads could stay focused.

Ask a simple question get many, many complaints about other unrelated items.

Your responses were "spot on"

See you Wednesday.

Once in a while I just have to open myself up for criticism.

You can always make more money but you can never make more time - spend your time wisely

Incognito Gecko · 04-10-2007, 12:57 AM

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Get rid of the multiple cars for one driver and you get rid of a lot of cars, but no actual racers get left out.

In that case I will still bring the same number of cars in my trailer but I would bring more drivers. So the car count would not change but they might sell an extra burger to my other drivers.

04-08-2007, 12:18 PM	#33
Bill Belden Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: York, PA Posts: 241 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	The altitude factors should be either adjusted or gotten rid of, some of the records are 1.50 under the standard (sea level) index. If the factors were set at a more reasonable rate, no problem, but if they continue to use the factors as they are set, then they should be tossed. The bottom line is why should someone have their cake and eat it too. If I run 1.40 under I get HP, 1.40 under at a factored track you get a record and no HP 1100 I/S __________________ Bill Belden Retired Stock Eliminator [emailSTK1100@comcast.net[/email]

04-08-2007, 12:25 PM	#34
Earle Holt Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 194 Likes: 1 Liked 4 Times in 1 Post	Absolutely Bill! I don't understand why all tracks don't have standardized and calibrated weather stations. I'm sure there are companies that would love to be the "official weather station of the NHRA." This way records could be corrected to sea level no matter if you are racing in Atco, NJ or Bandimere, CO. We can still give racers kudos for putting a big number on the board but not penalize racers across the country for someone running a stout number in mineshaft conditions or running a "calculated" number at a factored track. __________________ Earle Holt 1055 Stock

04-09-2007, 10:50 PM	#39
Andys dad VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Arcadia, Ca Posts: 1,571 Likes: 48 Liked 175 Times in 78 Posts	Mike please read my post on the extra non-qualifying back up run on Friday for the few that will need it. They must have set the record and had an "R" - in this way they do not need to tear down Saturday. You probably already read it but figured there would be too many complaints. BTW - I agree with you - I wish threads could stay focused. Ask a simple question get many, many complaints about other unrelated items. Your responses were "spot on" See you Wednesday. Once in a while I just have to open myself up for criticism. You can always make more money but you can never make more time - spend your time wisely __________________ time is our most precious resource, you can always make more money but you can never make more time spend your time wisely with the ones you love - Ron Durham

04-09-2007, 03:52 PM	#36
Mike Rice Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: NHRA World Headquarters Posts: 14 Likes: 0 Liked 13 Times in 3 Posts	Let me answer a few questions... #1 - factors at altitude tracks To my knowledge, there is nothing on the table to change these #2 - As for TD, TS, and MX not being points earning categories NOT TRUE. All three run for divisional championships #3 - As to the creation of two NEW classes NOT TRUE, just reorganized two that already existed (TC and SE) #4 - or should I even keep going. Bottom line is this, these classes are here AND part of the program. I was not asking to debate with you whether they belong or not, I was asking your thoughts on the run schedule that I was working on. Based on numerous e-mail replies and replies printed here, we will go with one Friday and two Saturday. Friday rotation will start at 8AM with STK, SST, SG, and then SS. Saturday rotation (also beginning at 8AM) will have SS, STK, SST, MC, SS, STK (all before Noon). This will give plenty of time to any of those setting records to tear down. I would love to give everyone four hits at every race, but that's pretty rare in this division. Why don't you bash TAD/TAFC because we have so many? Or how about the three guys that grenaded rearends at Firebird? OK, I'll stop now. Thanks to those that gave INPUT, not complaints. BTW, I plan on having a get together with STK/SS racers at Vegas LODRS event, after all it appears your afternoons will be free. Mike

04-09-2007, 09:02 PM	#37
Racin Mason Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Clemente, CA Posts: 58 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I like the idea of 1 run Friday and 2 on Saturday. Unless I am trying to set a record or solve a problem, I don't need 3 runs and an extra day of sitting around doing nothing. I would love to show up at all the divisionals Friday afternoon and be set for the weekend. Mike brings up some good points. Let's say Division 7 did got rid of T/S and T/D, I think all of those cars would just turn the throttle stop back on and go back to S/C. Eliminating these categories won't reduce car counts, it just moves them around. In my opinion, if you want to reduce car counts so we all get more runs, don't allow one person to run multiple cars. Now I realize this will be unpopular w/ many super stock racers driving stockers as well, but as I walk around the Div 7 pits I see at least 25% of these .90 guys w/ S/G cars and S/C cars w/ the same name on the window. Get rid of the multiple cars for one driver and you get rid of a lot of cars, but no actual racers get left out.

04-09-2007, 10:13 PM	#38
Bruce Fulper Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: So. Cal. Posts: 651 Likes: 4 Liked 54 Times in 33 Posts	"BTW, I plan on having a get together with STK/SS racers at Vegas LODRS event, after all it appears your afternoons will be free. Mike" Funny guy! BBQ on Mike? heh, heh... If that Bullet train project was done I'd hop it just to make that meeting. Lower gas prices now.....