Old vs New during rounds - Page 4

Joseph Teuton · 02-21-2014, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ALMACK

I don't know of any of the VIN-less class cars running in Q/SA.
For now I feel safe.

Well my "S/N" number which can be found by MOPAR is 2011-008. Yea i know its not the 13 or 17 number like yalls but hey some of yalls cars didnt come with power windows either. Guys the times are changing its going to be ok. lol

MFR440 · 02-21-2014, 12:26 PM

Cobra Jets > COPOs > Drag Paks > 90's FI > Carbureted Dinosaurs.

If I were betting on class eliminations at Indy, I could win a TON of money using this formula. There are a few exceptions, like David Barton, and occasionally a Teuton, but for the vast majority this holds true. It makes Class Eliminations very predictable and BORING.

1st round Class Eliminations last year, '09-up cars won every race against an older car, except 3 redlights and a 1 holeshot.

90's model FI cars won 12/16 against carbureted cars, not counting broken cars or redlights.

I liked the idea of the Factory Supercar Class at Indy, but it was all too predictable as well (see the formula above). BORING!

RJ Sledge · 02-21-2014, 12:30 PM

The original post should have read, "Name the number of times since 2009 that a old car beat a new car in Class/Eliminator, unless it was a throw away run by the New car"

I lost the Class final in E/SA @ Indy in 2013 to a new car. I went .988 under the index and the winner went 1.15 under backing in to me.

I also had the same car and driver 1st round of Stock Eliminator at the same race. ......Can you say " Have a nice day".

How many of the New car owners and drivers had old cars that were capable(fast and legal) of winning Class at Indy?

I own and race a 67 Fairlane and a 2010 Mustang 352 CJ , both can run D/SA.......guess which one if faster??

RJ

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ALMACK · 02-21-2014, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Joseph Teuton

Well my "S/N" number which can be found by MOPAR is 2011-008. Yea i know its not the 13 or 17 number like yalls but hey some of yalls cars didnt come with power windows either. Guys the times are changing its going to be ok. lol

I like the new cars...a lot.
My dream car is the 2013 CJ.

I remember back in '83 or '84 at the Winternationals seeing all those brand new Olds Cutlass 307 H.O. cars run in Stock.

As a young 22 year old, those brand new cars running 12's in Stock Eliminator was impressive to me.

Joseph Teuton · 02-21-2014, 12:52 PM

Mr. RJ sir, thanks for your input and I understand where your coming from. I wasnt including Class wins because they are a different animal and usually they dont mean anything these days. I love class racing which is why I do have a new car. But when it comes time for eliminations the chance for a heads up is that common. Sir, how many different classes do both your cars fit in?

I wish NHRA would come up with some type of heads up racing for a STK or SS car like prostock. I even believe we asked for some sort of heads up racing but were denied by NHRA. So we play were we can play.

I know some of us say that "advance" isnt the correct word but if techonolgy doesnt ADVANCE then how does the world grow? I guess we should all be using computers, phones, cars, and whatever else you can think of that has come from the 70's. I mean if in 44 years things havent advanced then how is the world like it is?? Hp factors as well as enging builders have had to change due to the changing times. Come on guys you cant really believe that a car built in the 70's, 80"s, or even the 90's should compete with cars built of today.

sammy pizzolato · 02-21-2014, 01:03 PM

Pb i don't blame you one bit for building a new car.if i was building another car it would not be and old car i would build a late model. but NHRA should put it back the way they had it with a class for FI cars only. our old carb cars don't have a prayer aganst the new cars.and that is why you don't see me at all the races anymore i am not spending my hard earned money when i don't have a chance in a head's up race.i wish NHRA would wise up and put the FI classes back. and for the record i love watching the new cars our sport needs them but not in a heads up against and old car with a HP rating disadvantage.

Joseph Teuton · 02-21-2014, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by sammy pizzolato

Pb i don't blame you one bit for building a new car.if i was building another car it would not be and old car i would build a late model. but NHRA should put it back the way they had it with a class for FI cars only. our old carb cars don't have a prayer aganst the new cars.and that is why you don't see me at all the races anymore i am not spending my hard earned money when i don't have a chance in a head's up race.i wish NHRA would wise up and put the FI classes back.

Mr. Sammy if you are will to put the bowtie's I can see about getting you a ride in a MOPAR. Lol I'm not sure if the Chevy Gods will accept you after that but hey it's worth a shot! Lol

Michael Beard · 02-21-2014, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Joseph Teuton

I wish NHRA would come up with some type of heads up racing for a STK or SS car like prostock. I even believe we asked for some sort of heads up racing but were denied by NHRA.

In my opinion, that *should* be Pro Stock today. To see the factory race cars unleashed would be an incredible and engaging show. I'd like to feature something like this at an event, but have been waiting for NHRA to square things up. The Factory Stock concept is there, but seems to be all over the map right now. We'll try to do some research and attempt to have a plan in place for next year by the end of summer so people have time to plan for 2015.

sammy pizzolato · 02-21-2014, 01:18 PM

Joey it would be an honor to drive one of your chrysler cars.and i would park my bowtie today. just saying!!!!!

Mike Carr · 02-21-2014, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Joseph Teuton

How many old cars have been out run in a heads up run for a money winning round by a new car, in lets say the last 5 years?? Stock or super stock.

It would take someone with far more time and patience than I have to go back five years and look. But, I would bet every last dollar to my name, that new (2008-newer) cars have won 95% (yes, ninety-five percent, or more) of the heads-up runs in eliminations at National and Divisional events since 2009. And even the few runs they lost (be it Class or Eliminator) were probably due to redlight/breakage/spin/.200+ light. Seldom do they ever actually get outrun.

02-21-2014, 12:26 PM	#32
MFR440 Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Indiana Posts: 112 Likes: 6 Liked 13 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Old vs New during rounds Cobra Jets > COPOs > Drag Paks > 90's FI > Carbureted Dinosaurs. If I were betting on class eliminations at Indy, I could win a TON of money using this formula. There are a few exceptions, like David Barton, and occasionally a Teuton, but for the vast majority this holds true. It makes Class Eliminations very predictable and BORING. 1st round Class Eliminations last year, '09-up cars won every race against an older car, except 3 redlights and a 1 holeshot. 90's model FI cars won 12/16 against carbureted cars, not counting broken cars or redlights. I liked the idea of the Factory Supercar Class at Indy, but it was all too predictable as well (see the formula above). BORING! __________________ Meyer Family Racing (re-tired) 1965 Dodge Coronet - Steet car and Part-time N/SS 1962 Plymouth Fury S/ST #3384 - Race in Peace, Craig Meyer

02-21-2014, 12:30 PM	#33
RJ Sledge Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 783 Likes: 498 Liked 288 Times in 90 Posts	Re: Old vs New during rounds The original post should have read, "Name the number of times since 2009 that a old car beat a new car in Class/Eliminator, unless it was a throw away run by the New car" I lost the Class final in E/SA @ Indy in 2013 to a new car. I went .988 under the index and the winner went 1.15 under backing in to me. I also had the same car and driver 1st round of Stock Eliminator at the same race. ......Can you say " Have a nice day". How many of the New car owners and drivers had old cars that were capable(fast and legal) of winning Class at Indy? I own and race a 67 Fairlane and a 2010 Mustang 352 CJ , both can run D/SA.......guess which one if faster?? RJ .

02-21-2014, 12:52 PM	#35
Joseph Teuton Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: HOUMA, LA Posts: 440 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Old vs New during rounds Mr. RJ sir, thanks for your input and I understand where your coming from. I wasnt including Class wins because they are a different animal and usually they dont mean anything these days. I love class racing which is why I do have a new car. But when it comes time for eliminations the chance for a heads up is that common. Sir, how many different classes do both your cars fit in? I wish NHRA would come up with some type of heads up racing for a STK or SS car like prostock. I even believe we asked for some sort of heads up racing but were denied by NHRA. So we play were we can play. I know some of us say that "advance" isnt the correct word but if techonolgy doesnt ADVANCE then how does the world grow? I guess we should all be using computers, phones, cars, and whatever else you can think of that has come from the 70's. I mean if in 44 years things havent advanced then how is the world like it is?? Hp factors as well as enging builders have had to change due to the changing times. Come on guys you cant really believe that a car built in the 70's, 80"s, or even the 90's should compete with cars built of today. __________________ JOSEPH TEUTON 4044 STK,SS,

02-21-2014, 01:03 PM	#36
sammy pizzolato Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: houma louisiana Posts: 432 Likes: 52 Liked 56 Times in 13 Posts	Re: Old vs New during rounds Pb i don't blame you one bit for building a new car.if i was building another car it would not be and old car i would build a late model. but NHRA should put it back the way they had it with a class for FI cars only. our old carb cars don't have a prayer aganst the new cars.and that is why you don't see me at all the races anymore i am not spending my hard earned money when i don't have a chance in a head's up race.i wish NHRA would wise up and put the FI classes back. and for the record i love watching the new cars our sport needs them but not in a heads up against and old car with a HP rating disadvantage. Last edited by sammy pizzolato; 02-21-2014 at 01:11 PM.

02-21-2014, 01:18 PM	#39
sammy pizzolato Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: houma louisiana Posts: 432 Likes: 52 Liked 56 Times in 13 Posts	Re: Old vs New during rounds Joey it would be an honor to drive one of your chrysler cars.and i would park my bowtie today. just saying!!!!!