Window Net Rule - Page 4

sg1586 · 03-07-2012, 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goinbroke2

How do things get off topic or on a tangent so quickly?
The point is not the $25-$50.
The point is the arbitrary rules by nhra that directly means $$$.

Today is window nets and not too long ago it was helmets. Yes they are both required and yes everybody wants to be safe. I'm sure noone here would race a car with the seat bolted to a plywood floor or seatbelts bolted to floor tin with a washer, how about conduit or exh tube for a roll bar? Of course not...but it HAS been done in the past and that's why rules were put in place.

But now for nhra to decide that having a .134 wall rollbar isn't good enough, it has to be replaced every 2 years(for example).....would anybody complain about the waste of money? Of course they would! It's not that they wouldn't want a rollbar or agree that a roll bar of specified size/thickness is required, it's just the questionable practice of replacing it every two years...because nhra said. THAT is the issue.

Are belts/gloves/helmets/nets etc unsafe after 2 years of "laying in the sun"? If so, then why isn't the equipment that is in stockcars which sit in the same sun and ARE USED REPEATEDLY year after year ok? Has anybody seen a belt or glove fail?
And don't give me the "if you don't see it then the rule must be right" because that's the same logic as carrying a 1/2" wrench to keep the elephants away, none around? SEE IT MUST BE WORKING!

Don't need a net if your slower than 10.50, fine...doesn't say you CAN'T have one if you want it. As far as ribbon or mesh, one is better than the other (same as material) and one requires a two year recert the other doesn't.

It all boils down to "must" and "can". I've never made a pass without a helmet...even though over the years I've run some pretty SLOW stuff. What is it, slower than 15.00 and you don't need a helmet for bracketracing or something like that? Doesn't matter to me, it's MY choice to wear a $200 helmet in a 21 second fwd streetcar. But if it was mandatory and had to have a new helmet every 2-3 years? Yeah, I would complain too!

X2 Well said!!!!!!!

Byron Worner · 03-07-2012, 10:03 AM

Next year your racing wheels need to be certified.............................Oh wait,,,,,,3 months later your current wheels are ok. There needs to be consequences for mistakes that cost people money no matter if its a dollar or a thousand!

buzzinhalfdozen · 03-07-2012, 10:08 AM

JP, apparently I didn't make myself clear, I never said I wanted to skimp on safety, I was stating that I was pleased I did not have to replace my perfectly good 150.00 window net. I've never held any dilusions that this sport is cheap, and anyone that knows me knows I will spend the money I NEED to. 1320racer seems to think that anyone that thinks like me on this issue just likes to "bitch", to use his mindset why don't we just say....Your seats 3 years old better replace it, your master cylinder is 4 years old better replace it, ect. The list could go on and on. The simple fact is there are probably lots of cars out there with worn heim ends, mushy brake pedals, dry rotted tires, loose steering, poorly installed cages.... hopefully you get my point. I'm perfectly capable of maintaining my race car I built it, know every nut and bolt on it and believe I'm capable of making the right decisions on how to properly equip it. This issue was, for me never about "saving a few bucks" heck if I wanted to save money I'd quit racing, the issue was out of the blue a rule change was made that was not backed up by any facts of testing or reasoning just "you have to do this". I've inquired on several occasions if anyone was aware just exactly how SFI came to conclude that seat belts are no good after 2 years...never got a reply. If someone tells me something I'd kinda like them to be able to explain to me how they reached that conclusion, not just say that's the way it is. Sorry for the long post, just don't like being called a "bitcher" Joe

chevy620 · 03-07-2012, 10:22 AM

Pretty much like "certifying your chassis". They measure the pipe but they NEVER mention the welds, the supports, the brackets, etc.
They hand you a form, measure 6 or 7 spots and collect their check. IT HAS NOTHING to do with safety, it is ALL about revenue, period.

If it was about safety they would check for worn rod ends (or have you certify you replace them regularly, brakes, etc, etc.

I had a track for 15 years. The single most common cause of wrecks, injuries and property loss: Oil under the tires.

And yet, diapers are only slowly being made mandatory. Want to be safer? Put a diaper under the engine and plumb your trans cooler lines with high-pressure braided or similar hydraulic line with AN fittings.

You always have to remember, NHRA is a "revenue-needing operation". With half-empty grandstands on Elimination day, Sportsman entries falling off or being limited (allegedly due to lack of space) at certain events the NHRA NEEDS MORE MONEY to keep the show on the road. If it is on the back of the Sportsman and Bracket racers, why would they care? You do it as a hobby and the NHRA goal is to keep the nitro teams the stars of the show. Not sure why, seems less and less people come to watch it.

Sorry about the rant, it's just that the "safety rules" are totally stupid and nothing but "ad sellers" for them.

Jok
(yeh, I always have "trouble" at tech ;-)

Barnstorm · 03-07-2012, 11:52 AM

What happened to the muffler rule from 10 or so years ago? Can't believe they never implemented that one. $$$$$ they missed!

Stocker 2 · 03-07-2012, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barnstorm

What happened to the muffler rule from 10 or so years ago? Can't believe they never implemented that one. $$$$$ they missed!

They fired the guy who came up with the idea.

chevy620 · 03-07-2012, 01:13 PM

Now if they would go up the food chain a bit on this stupid error, at least there would be some "fresh ideas" at one level.

03-07-2012, 10:03 AM	#32
Byron Worner Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 229 Likes: 11 Liked 28 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Window Net Rule Next year your racing wheels need to be certified.............................Oh wait,,,,,,3 months later your current wheels are ok. There needs to be consequences for mistakes that cost people money no matter if its a dollar or a thousand!

03-07-2012, 10:08 AM	#33
buzzinhalfdozen Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bellevue Ohio Posts: 984 Likes: 0 Liked 11 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Window Net Rule JP, apparently I didn't make myself clear, I never said I wanted to skimp on safety, I was stating that I was pleased I did not have to replace my perfectly good 150.00 window net. I've never held any dilusions that this sport is cheap, and anyone that knows me knows I will spend the money I NEED to. 1320racer seems to think that anyone that thinks like me on this issue just likes to "bitch", to use his mindset why don't we just say....Your seats 3 years old better replace it, your master cylinder is 4 years old better replace it, ect. The list could go on and on. The simple fact is there are probably lots of cars out there with worn heim ends, mushy brake pedals, dry rotted tires, loose steering, poorly installed cages.... hopefully you get my point. I'm perfectly capable of maintaining my race car I built it, know every nut and bolt on it and believe I'm capable of making the right decisions on how to properly equip it. This issue was, for me never about "saving a few bucks" heck if I wanted to save money I'd quit racing, the issue was out of the blue a rule change was made that was not backed up by any facts of testing or reasoning just "you have to do this". I've inquired on several occasions if anyone was aware just exactly how SFI came to conclude that seat belts are no good after 2 years...never got a reply. If someone tells me something I'd kinda like them to be able to explain to me how they reached that conclusion, not just say that's the way it is. Sorry for the long post, just don't like being called a "bitcher" Joe __________________ Joe Buchanan SS/BX 3117

03-07-2012, 10:22 AM	#34
chevy620 Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 188 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Window Net Rule Pretty much like "certifying your chassis". They measure the pipe but they NEVER mention the welds, the supports, the brackets, etc. They hand you a form, measure 6 or 7 spots and collect their check. IT HAS NOTHING to do with safety, it is ALL about revenue, period. If it was about safety they would check for worn rod ends (or have you certify you replace them regularly, brakes, etc, etc. I had a track for 15 years. The single most common cause of wrecks, injuries and property loss: Oil under the tires. And yet, diapers are only slowly being made mandatory. Want to be safer? Put a diaper under the engine and plumb your trans cooler lines with high-pressure braided or similar hydraulic line with AN fittings. You always have to remember, NHRA is a "revenue-needing operation". With half-empty grandstands on Elimination day, Sportsman entries falling off or being limited (allegedly due to lack of space) at certain events the NHRA NEEDS MORE MONEY to keep the show on the road. If it is on the back of the Sportsman and Bracket racers, why would they care? You do it as a hobby and the NHRA goal is to keep the nitro teams the stars of the show. Not sure why, seems less and less people come to watch it. Sorry about the rant, it's just that the "safety rules" are totally stupid and nothing but "ad sellers" for them. Jok (yeh, I always have "trouble" at tech ;-)

03-07-2012, 11:52 AM	#35
Barnstorm Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Minnesota Posts: 186 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Window Net Rule What happened to the muffler rule from 10 or so years ago? Can't believe they never implemented that one. $$$$$ they missed!

03-07-2012, 01:13 PM	#37
chevy620 Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 188 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Window Net Rule Now if they would go up the food chain a bit on this stupid error, at least there would be some "fresh ideas" at one level.