100957.00 really - Page 4

Andys dad · 11-16-2010, 08:56 PM

No

X-TECH MAN · 11-16-2010, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FINESPLINE

Yes Bob, I agree that this V10 Challenger definitely looks like a SS/GT car. I sure hope NHRA sees what we and others see. Anybody else agree ?

YES ! Looks more like a Comp. car to me. AA/FX/Altered/A unblown/FI with about a 9 flat index should do it.

Andys dad · 11-16-2010, 09:29 PM

Just because you can get it race ready for AA/SA does not make it a SS car

It does not have the following allowed SS modifications -
any intake
any head modifications
any manifold
any pistons and compression
trans-brake
14" tire

It does have (like any stocker is allowed) -
a roll cage
a 9" tire
good shocks
fuel cell in trunk
accessory equipment removed (heater, sound deadener, etc.)
legal replacement of IRS

And all for only a hundred grand - I am sure there are current AA cars that have that much in them

:-) peace

X-TECH MAN · 11-16-2010, 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andys dad

Just because you can get it race ready for AA/SA does not make it a SS car

It does not have the following allowed SS modifications -
any intake
any head modifications
any manifold
any pistons and compression
trans-brake
14" tire

It does have (like any stocker is allowed) -
a roll cage
a 9" tire
good shocks
fuel cell in trunk
accessory equipment removed (heater, sound deadener, etc.)
legal replacement of IRS

And all for only a hundred grand - I am sure there are current AA cars that have that much in them

:-) peace

You forgot one important item......A VERY under rated V-10 engine.

Bob Pagano · 11-16-2010, 10:15 PM

Call it what you want, people are not blind, so its a AA/SA, first hit it get weight second hit it goes right to SS where it belongs in the first place. What a waste of money.

B Aceves · 11-16-2010, 10:50 PM

So are they Changing the rules to allow all Stockers to have a Intergrated Roll control
in the Trans ? (Transbrake)

Stocker 449 · 11-16-2010, 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andys dad

Just because you can get it race ready for AA/SA does not make it a SS car

It does not have the following allowed SS modifications -
any intake
any head modifications
any manifold
any pistons and compression
trans-brake
14" tire

It does have (like any stocker is allowed) -
a roll cage
a 9" tire
good shocks
fuel cell in trunk
accessory equipment removed (heater, sound deadener, etc.)
legal replacement of IRS

And all for only a hundred grand - I am sure there are current AA cars that have that much in them

:-) peace

You are correct, it doesn't have certain items that are allowed in SS.
-However it does have a "built in roll control" (could that be considered a 4 wheel line loc, or an actual trans-brake?)

-It does have a 11 qt oil pan. "Designed specifically for Drag Pack" http://www.mopar.com/dragpak/pdf/dra...spec_sheet.pdf

Neat piece, just doesn't belong in stock. However I have said that several times, and so have many others. I am not bashing the people getting the vehicles, just the association that is allowing them to compete on the same playing field as the other cars. Yes, there have been people that have spent the same amount to purchase this car, on their car that they race in the same class. You do not see them out running the fastest cars in the nation by over .4 tenths

FINESPLINE · 11-16-2010, 11:09 PM

Very curious ! When anybody buys one of these so called drag pak stockers ( using the word stocker very loosely ) is there a confidentiality contract that they sign with Mopar racing division or does everybody just get brainwashed as to the stocker rules. Don't get me wrong here. I am not attacking the cars or the owners and drivers. It is collusion between the nhra and chrysler. AND FORD!!! Yes we have not forgotten them but at least their owners are very quiet.

Andys dad · 11-16-2010, 11:58 PM

OK since you guys don't like me posting I will make this my last

I will let the car do the talking - if it can

Hell this car has not even "officially" been on the drag strip yet and you guys are whining and complaining

OK now to the responses -

1) "underrated V10" - name any engine that does not make a lot more HP than it is rated and I will show you an uncompetitive engine
2) "waste of money" - last time I checked it is my money - well some of it is - the rest belongs to the bank
3) "built in roll control" - not going to have it (no trans-brakes in stock)
4) "11 qt oil pan" the Viper has an oil pan capacity of between 8.5 to 10 quarts depending on the year and model

Finally - I am not by any stretch of the imagination - rich. I have a very fast older car. I have just decided to go for the gusto - one last time. I do not make the rules but I have spent a lot of time trying to take advantage of everything that NHRA allowed.

Why should this be any different as I approach the twilight of my life?

NHRA will make the necessary corrections over time - if and when they are needed.

hemidup · 11-17-2010, 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andys dad

OK since you guys don't like me posting I will make this my last

I will let the car do the talking - if it can

Hell this car has not even "officially" been on the drag strip yet and you guys are whining and complaining

OK now to the responses -

1) "underrated V10" - name any engine that does not make a lot more HP than it is rated and I will show you an uncompetitive engine
2) "waste of money" - its my f-ing money
3) "built in roll control" - not going to have it (no trans-brakes in stock) for those of you that do not read the rules
4) a stock (oh there is that word) Viper has an oil pan capacity of between 8.5 to 10 quarts depending on the year and model (do your homework)

Finally - I am not by any stretch of the imagination - rich. I have a very fast older car. I have just decided to go for the gusto - one last time. I do not make the rules but I have spent a lot of time trying to take advantage of everything that NHRA allowed. Why should this be any different as I approach the twilight of my life.

NHRA will make the necessary corrections over time.

I'd love to own a V10 powered car, just love the sound of a V8 better cause that's what I grew up with. Just finished up with a Slant 6, 11 second Duster build....A Slant 6 will away's sound like the Red Barron during a dive bomb, they always have, they always will, but this Duster makes us proud.

11-16-2010, 08:56 PM	#31
Andys dad VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Arcadia, Ca Posts: 1,571 Likes: 48 Liked 175 Times in 78 Posts	Re: 100957.00 really No __________________ time is our most precious resource, you can always make more money but you can never make more time spend your time wisely with the ones you love - Ron Durham

11-16-2010, 09:29 PM	#33
Andys dad VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Arcadia, Ca Posts: 1,571 Likes: 48 Liked 175 Times in 78 Posts	Re: 100957.00 really Just because you can get it race ready for AA/SA does not make it a SS car It does not have the following allowed SS modifications - any intake any head modifications any manifold any pistons and compression trans-brake 14" tire It does have (like any stocker is allowed) - a roll cage a 9" tire good shocks fuel cell in trunk accessory equipment removed (heater, sound deadener, etc.) legal replacement of IRS And all for only a hundred grand - I am sure there are current AA cars that have that much in them :-) peace __________________ time is our most precious resource, you can always make more money but you can never make more time spend your time wisely with the ones you love - Ron Durham

11-16-2010, 10:15 PM	#35
Bob Pagano VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New Holland, PA Mooresville,NC Posts: 1,163 Likes: 239 Liked 16 Times in 11 Posts	Re: 100957.00 really Call it what you want, people are not blind, so its a AA/SA, first hit it get weight second hit it goes right to SS where it belongs in the first place. What a waste of money. __________________ Bob Pagano A/SA

11-16-2010, 10:50 PM	#36
B Aceves Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 457 Likes: 1 Liked 7 Times in 4 Posts	Re: 100957.00 really So are they Changing the rules to allow all Stockers to have a Intergrated Roll control in the Trans ? (Transbrake) __________________ Bob Aceves, 746 E/SA A&M motorsports

11-16-2010, 11:09 PM	#38
FINESPLINE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Island of high taxes, N.Y. Posts: 541 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: 100957.00 really Very curious ! When anybody buys one of these so called drag pak stockers ( using the word stocker very loosely ) is there a confidentiality contract that they sign with Mopar racing division or does everybody just get brainwashed as to the stocker rules. Don't get me wrong here. I am not attacking the cars or the owners and drivers. It is collusion between the nhra and chrysler. AND FORD!!! Yes we have not forgotten them but at least their owners are very quiet.

11-16-2010, 11:58 PM	#39
Andys dad VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Arcadia, Ca Posts: 1,571 Likes: 48 Liked 175 Times in 78 Posts	Re: 100957.00 really OK since you guys don't like me posting I will make this my last I will let the car do the talking - if it can Hell this car has not even "officially" been on the drag strip yet and you guys are whining and complaining OK now to the responses - 1) "underrated V10" - name any engine that does not make a lot more HP than it is rated and I will show you an uncompetitive engine 2) "waste of money" - last time I checked it is my money - well some of it is - the rest belongs to the bank 3) "built in roll control" - not going to have it (no trans-brakes in stock) 4) "11 qt oil pan" the Viper has an oil pan capacity of between 8.5 to 10 quarts depending on the year and model Finally - I am not by any stretch of the imagination - rich. I have a very fast older car. I have just decided to go for the gusto - one last time. I do not make the rules but I have spent a lot of time trying to take advantage of everything that NHRA allowed. Why should this be any different as I approach the twilight of my life? NHRA will make the necessary corrections over time - if and when they are needed. __________________ time is our most precious resource, you can always make more money but you can never make more time spend your time wisely with the ones you love - Ron Durham Last edited by Andys dad; 11-17-2010 at 12:11 AM.