How about those ford cj's at vegas - Page 4

novassdude · 11-01-2009, 07:02 PM

I think if they were doing it with actual showroom available models it would be great for the class. Is any one out there building a showroom mustang?

davidhuff · 11-01-2009, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

Sorry David, I don't think that argument has any real merit. If you take the time to look, for example, you can find an A, B, F, or X body Chevy, say from 66-70, for $10K. For the rest, if you have to pay for everything if you shop, you should be able to get it done for under $50K more. For a total of $60 to $65K, again, if you just carry it to a shop and say "make this a Stock Eliminator car", then go buy an engine and transmission.

A new Cobra Jet is, or was $75K. And that does not include a real racing transmission, or the pieces that go with it.

Of course, I suppose the new cars might drive down the price of an older used AA, A, or B car if the owner got fed up with the whole thing. And I really don't think that is good for the class, either.

No thanks,I have already been down that road years ago with Woodro Josey.No more rust buckets for me.LOL

GUMP · 11-02-2009, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

Sorry David, I don't think that argument has any real merit. If you take the time to look, for example, you can find an A, B, F, or X body Chevy, say from 66-70, for $10K. For the rest, if you have to pay for everything if you shop, you should be able to get it done for under $50K more. For a total of $60 to $65K, again, if you just carry it to a shop and say "make this a Stock Eliminator car", then go buy an engine and transmission.

Not everyone wants to race an antique.

Ed Wright · 11-02-2009, 10:12 AM

It would be so simple if they would just put one on a chassis dyno. Getting one that had not been de-tuned for more favorable lower numbers might be a problem. Even if they used that rwhp number instead of flywheel hp it would be closer to correct.

Harry 6674 · 11-02-2009, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Ed Wright

It would be so simple if they would just put one on a chassis dyno. Getting one that had not been de-tuned for more favorable lower numbers might be a problem. Even if they used that rwhp number instead of flywheel hp it would be closer to correct.

It works for NASCAR.

X-TECH MAN · 11-02-2009, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by GUMP

Not everyone wants to race an antique.

Not everyone likes this late model junk either.

Alan Roehrich · 11-02-2009, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GUMP

Not everyone wants to race an antique.

That was not the issue. The issue was cost to buy or build.

Jack Matyas · 11-02-2009, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

Sorry David, I don't think that argument has any real merit. If you take the time to look, for example, you can find an A, B, F, or X body Chevy, say from 66-70, for $10K. For the rest, if you have to pay for everything if you shop, you should be able to get it done for under $50K more. For a total of $60 to $65K, again, if you just carry it to a shop and say "make this a Stock Eliminator car", then go buy an engine and transmission.

A new Cobra Jet is, or was $75K. And that does not include a real racing transmission, or the pieces that go with it.

Of course, I suppose the new cars might drive down the price of an older used AA, A, or B car if the owner got fed up with the whole thing. And I really don't think that is good for the class, either.

Alan -- I'm not so sure I agree with you -- first of all you can't get very much '69 Camaro for ten grand and by the time you buy everything else you're in it big .Secondly, I'd be willing to bet that its possible to build a" CJ clone" for the same or less money than it costs to build a late model LS1 car .These cars are really a bargain if you start to figure all the other costs involved .As for driving the price of the older cars down - why ? Other than a few class races how have they been hurt ? They are still good cars in the eliminator - ( I haven't seen many for sale have you ?) - and as we're starting to see that the CJ's will make mistakes and get themselves some new horsepower compliments of the NHRA on Monday's .

There will always be the old and the new - and not everyone will be happy ................I've seen all of this before when I raced "Jr.Stockers" and again when I raced "Pure Stockers" and again with regular "Stockers" and still again when the "Fuel Injected Stockers" came out -- things have a way of sorting out in our sport -- they always have in the past ...............

PS-- As far as the CJ's being good for our sport -- when's the last time any other cars have had this much ink or attention -- ever ! ! ! I'm certainly not sticking up for them or taking sides -- like they used to say on "Dragnet" --- "Just the facts" ..............

GUMP · 11-02-2009, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

Not everyone likes this late model junk either.

In 1969 the COPO's were late model junk too!

Craig Couris · 11-02-2009, 08:03 PM

I also thought I could build my AA/SA Corvette for around $50k. I stopped keeping track of the money once I hit $85K. When I had an opportunity to buy Cobra Jet #49 for $71,500.00, I actually thought it was a pretty decent buy. Yes- it does need another $8,500.00 to make it race ready (with an automatic) but someone could build the 2010 kit car that is currently offered by Ford for considerably less.

Just my observation.

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novassdude Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: usa Posts: 752 Likes: 204 Liked 136 Times in 49 Posts	Re: How about those ford cj's at vegas I think if they were doing it with actual showroom available models it would be great for the class. Is any one out there building a showroom mustang?

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Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: How about those ford cj's at vegas It would be so simple if they would just put one on a chassis dyno. Getting one that had not been de-tuned for more favorable lower numbers might be a problem. Even if they used that rwhp number instead of flywheel hp it would be closer to correct. __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

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Craig Couris Banned Join Date: May 2002 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 122 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: How about those ford cj's at vegas I also thought I could build my AA/SA Corvette for around $50k. I stopped keeping track of the money once I hit $85K. When I had an opportunity to buy Cobra Jet #49 for $71,500.00, I actually thought it was a pretty decent buy. Yes- it does need another $8,500.00 to make it race ready (with an automatic) but someone could build the 2010 kit car that is currently offered by Ford for considerably less. Just my observation.