A990 Super Stockers

[Paul Ceasrine]

Ain't she pretty,

(April 1965)
1965 Plymouth S/SA.



Not all 'tartered up',,,,,,

Very trick suspension on this car,,,,
Most of the Super Stock Mopars back then,,,,,,,
When leaving the line, first the back-end lifted, then it launched off the line,,,

But the Black Arrow,,,,,was pre-loaded,,,,,,the back-end never lifted,
it just launched,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[Paul Ceasrine]

Who said that Sox & Martin didn't also have a 65' A-990 S/S Plymouth
Belvedere,,,,,,,

This went along with the 65' 2% AWB #2700 lb Hardtop car,,,,

[imported_Ray Remington]

Hemi Moose: The Greg Charney Dodge you asked about belonged to Walt Ulrich of Royal Oak Mi. He was an eng. builder for Chrysler. He had it sitting in his back yard, I don't know wher he got it, but had it for a few yrs. He and Greg put it togather and won Indy with it. Don't remember when either '70 or 71. Greg worked as a dyno op. with Walt for Chrysler. Walt, a good friend of mine, is in his upper 70's was a origional member of The Golden Cammandos. If any know where Walt got this Dodge, (an origional 990 ) feel free to add to this.

Ray Remington
Slack Time Racing

[Charlie A]

Originally Posted by Hemi Moose

I'm not sure if Butch Leal had 'two cars' an early one used in the mid sixties as see below, and a 'later one' used in the mid seventies that is currently restored...but is it the same A990 Plymouth.

Is it just the angle or was the front track narrowed on the front of this one?

[Paul Ceasrine]

Here's the California Flash (Super/Stock Stick car) at Indy 1965.

According to Butch Leal, he bought this car in August 1965 (3 weeks before the Indy Nationals)

Leal and Sissener Racing Team

[Frank Castros]

Originally Posted by FINESPLINE

Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't the Butch Leal " California Flash " super stocker built by the factory many years later and at that time was ahead of its time in construction and /or detail.--------John

I recall reading and being told back in the day that the second generation California Flash '65 was not an original A990 car.

[aspen7709]

Les Norton has one. He purchased it from Tom Howell out of kansas to arizona. It was a altered wheelbase at one time, car then converted back. Les usually brings it out to run it at Denver. It is painted like the old Bagwell car but I dont think it is. Tom howell knew ALL the history on it. I know he does not do the computer thing but maybe Les will.

[Paul Ceasrine]

The 65' 2% AWB car,,,,,,,,,,

In California (April, 1965)
'Leal and Shahan Racing Team'


2700 lb. Gas/FC cars (Butch Leal and Sox & Martin, in their 1965 Match-Race Tour.
September 1965 (Dover Drag Strip, Wingdale, New York)
'Leal and Sissener Racing Team'

[Hemi Moose]

Originally Posted by Charlie A

Is it just the angle or was the front track narrowed on the front of this one?

A couple of factory racers moved the front wheels up a few inches, that is why people refer to them as 2% cars, they also did this to some early '64 Dodges & Plymouths... then they really went crazy by moving the front & rear wheels on the '65 A/FX'ers...see Pauly's photos above!!!

[Charlie A]

Originally Posted by Hemi Moose

A couple of factory racers moved the front wheels up a few inches, that is why people refer to them as 2% cars, they also did this to some early '64 Dodges & Plymouths... then they really went crazy by moving the front & rear wheels on the '65 A/FX'ers...see Pauly's photos above!!!

Not talking about the wheebase. I'm looking at the width between the front wheels. (the track)
Just seems to appear narrow. Thought maybe they were looking at some possible performance advantage.