New Classes in Stock AAA/SA, AAA/S and FS/AAA

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Is it one pound with Sticks and Autos combined? From I/S down there's the same or less participation than in the FWD classes.
Based on indexes, a FWD combo would need between a 3 and 4 pound weight break.

Actually, I think one pound weight breaks with FWD rolled into appropriate classes is a big enough step to start with. That's a substantial reduction in the number of classes, and should result in plenty of heads up runs on its own.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

Actually, I think one pound weight breaks with FWD rolled into appropriate classes is a big enough step to start with. That's a substantial reduction in the number of classes, and should result in plenty of heads up runs on its own.

I absolutely agree but at the same time it would be much less controversial to combine Sticks and Autos at one pound (different HP factors) than it would be to combine FWDs because the FWDs would need a serious HP/weight factor break. Although I wouldn't mind seeing it. It sure would "tighten" things up and stop a lot of the sandbagging.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

I absolutely agree but at the same time it would be much less controversial to combine Sticks and Autos at one pound (different HP factors) than it would be to combine FWDs because the FWDs would need a serious HP/weight factor break. Although I wouldn't mind seeing it. It sure would "tighten" things up and stop a lot of the sandbagging.

Adjusting the weight breaks to put FWD cars in regular classes, and putting all classes on a one pound weight break, will accomplish that, without adding the extra change. It also affects every combination in the class, without excluding some and including others. Everyone gets a weight break change. And new competitors. It also achieves at least as great a reduction in classes, and as great an increase in heads up races.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

Adjusting the weight breaks to put FWD cars in regular classes, and putting all classes on a one pound weight break, will accomplish that, without adding the extra change. It also affects every combination in the class, without excluding some and including others. Everyone gets a weight break change. And new competitors. It also achieves at least as great a reduction in classes, and as great an increase in heads up races.

I'm not understanding why your reluctance to combine Sticks and Autos. I also personally think that the FS cars should be combined too.

[Bobby Fazio]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

I'm not understanding why your reluctance to combine Sticks and Autos. I also personally think that the FS cars should be combined too.

Which index would you use? The stick or auto? As far as FS, sticks and autos are already combined, no?

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fazio

Which index would you use? The stick or auto? As far as FS, sticks and autos are already combined, no?

So are FWDs.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

I'm not understanding why your reluctance to combine Sticks and Autos. I also personally think that the FS cars should be combined too.

I'm not understanding your obsession with it.


The one pound weight breaks and rolling the FWD cars into the appropriate classes creates the smaller number of classes, and the other desired results.



And, honestly, the pure factory race cars should be in their own completely separate classes.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

The one pound weight breaks and rolling the FWD cars into the appropriate classes creates the smaller number of classes, and the other desired results.


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Alan the facts are..there are no appropriate RWD classes for the bulk of of the current crop .Most are centered around DF/S and EF/S ,which are low 17's to low 16 second cars.
The bottom RWD class is W, which is a mid 16 index ,but most can run in the15's.
V/S(A) is for V6's or 4 cylinder combos. The good one run in the 14's
How would you equalize that situation? Lower the FWD hp's ? How would they get enough weight out to speed them up?
Raise the V and W indexes, where there are already second under cars?
All I see is a whole bunch of grief for guys that aren't bothering anyone, and trying to race on a limited budget. I say leave the FWD guys alone .They are the only entry level cars left in NHRA class racing.

Now ,.if you want to combine say, D and E, and F and G... go ahead ,but it will end up as a net loss for NHRA ,when the newer guys have a heads up run , every other round, and then stop going to Divisionals ;-)

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

I'm not understanding your obsession with it.

And, honestly, the pure factory race cars should be in their own completely separate classes.

I wouldn't say "obsessed" with it. There just aren't enough Stick cars running anymore and with the HP factors being done the way they are it just seems like common sense to me. More so than going to one pound weight breaks after thinking about Yac's post.

"Honestly" if you feel that the "pure factory race cars should be in their own completely separate classes" then IMHO they should be in SS where they belong along with all of the other "pure factory race cars". You know, like the Race Hemis, the Thunderbolts and the 427 Camaros. But I'm guessing that somebody will just come on here and tell me that , "we can't go back, mistakes were made, live with it".

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

I say leave the FWD guys alone .They are the only entry level cars left in NHRA class racing. ;-)

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