BIG $$$ Race

[James Perrone]

It’s a shame that stock and super stock racers will not support a big $ race
Sheeeeet most of the racers that complain about lack of prize $ won’t support local Stock and SS associations racing that pays back 90% of the $
Dave Lay has 5 race schedule at Atco and on Saturday we get 60 or so car them Sunday we get a little more than half the racers
Makes no sense
We race for good $ for $100 entry
And we race in New Jersey Atco
Where are all you cry baby local class racers ?
What’s your excuse people?
No Wally. Really

[1347]

Most class racers don't like 1/8th mile racing. Even if they had an NHRA race with 1/8th mile racing, most wouldn't go. Remember the grove race when we sat in the rain and 3 days later we went to 1/8th mile, alot pulled out. The next year, even people who stayed the year before went up to Dave Mohn as we sat in the rain and said if he was even thinking of 1/8 mile they were pulling out.

Our cars aren't built for those races, at least my car isn't. Most of the good bracket cars that run money races are big tire, big block, high mph cars with power glides. If we manage to go late in the rounds with those races, we can't cool our cars down or transmissions. When I ran the consolation race at the Classracer race, they were calling us back before I got my time ticket the last 3 rounds. My battery was dead with no alternator, my filled block was 30 degrees hotter even using my chiller with fresh water, and when I Ran Ronnie Morehead and puked trans fluid on the track, my trans was almost 300 degrees and I pushed the front pump gasket out from the heat.

another problem is the amount of weekends we race and the amount of runs some engines can go. I raced 7 divisionals, 2 opens, the classracer weekend, 5 Dave Ley races, Indy, the Sportnationals, and the Keystones. My engine is used up, and my vacation time and wallet was also. I dont really have a race that I could say I would have missed to spend 1000.00 and buybacks (another hangup) on a bracket race.

James, I agree, I don't know why more people don't attend the ECSSA races at Atco, it's a great race, great payout, and a chance to race and practice against some heavy hitters. I consider Daves races and the Classracer race my extent of non NHRA races. The Tyler Bohannan race is the same weekend as the Atco points race. I doubt many div1 racers will travel to his race instead of going to Atco that weekend.

[Lenny5160]

Originally Posted by 1347

James, I agree, I don't know why more people don't attend the ECSSA races at Atco, it's a great race, great payout, and a chance to race and practice against some heavy hitters.

I think you answered your own question in the previous paragraph.

It's not that the money races aren't worthwhile on their own, but if you've committed to the NHRA trail then you already have a lot of weekends on the calendar and runs on your stuff.

I used to run a lot of 'medium bucks' races all around the area, and still will on occasion. For me, the slower pace of NHRA races are part of the appeal. The purse could be a lot better, but the exposure is also lower. You aren't ringing up a $5K+ tab in a weekend, the race is going to be 6-7 rounds, and you won't lose in the semis to the car you beat first round.

[Mike McCandless]

The heat issue is a great point. On double entered races, it's a real issue.Going into next year, I have 2 sets of cars for the nephews. Big money bracket race cars and NHRA cars. It's almost impossible to find an NHRA legal S/SS that can run the rounds needed for big money bracket racing, on top of the issues of quick turn arounds. Much less be an actual competitive S/SS.

Not uncommon for us to put 3-400 runs on an engine over the course of a season for bracket racing.

[Ron Ortiz]

I was just hoping that another Sportsman race for Stk & SS like BOLD put on. I see how SFG Promotions is setting up a bottom heavy payout for high $$ for next year and was wondering why the Sportsman couldn't pull off something like that for half the payout. I understand the thought process of having a fun four days of a national event and all the associated events within. I also understand the heat and wear and tear on equipment. And I understand all the other comments, I just wanted another Sportsman race, but it appears that the number one problem is the racers themselves not showing up. That is really confusing.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA Grumpy was right.

[MR DERBY CITY]

Originally Posted by Ron Ortiz

I was just hoping that another Sportsman race for Stk & SS like BOLD put on. I see how SFG Promotions is setting up a bottom heavy payout for high $$ for next year and was wondering why the Sportsman couldn't pull off something like that for half the payout. I understand the thought process of having a fun four days of a national event and all the associated events within. I also understand the heat and wear and tear on equipment. And I understand all the other comments, I just wanted another Sportsman race, but it appears that the number one problem is the racers themselves not showing up. That is really confusing.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA Grumpy was right.

Sadly, Ken Miele announced today that there will be NO CR Nationals in 2023. Racers need to look no further than the mirror to realize why the CR Nationals was not renewed. There you go Ron ….

[e vassar]

Numidia 1500 miles from me.
Still...I was really considering going. In the end the thought of towing that far to get my butt kicked 1st rnd in a heads-up race made my decision.
However if there was one in D4 I would still go!

[Lenny5160]

If money were the primary incentive for a racer, they wouldn’t build a S/SS car.

Yes, there are a lot of complaints about NHRA payouts, which are embarrassing, but for the most part racers want better payout while still maintaining the rest of the NHRA experience, whatever that means to each racer.

The money by itself obviously isn’t it.

[MR DERBY CITY]

[QUOTE=Lenny5160;673696]If money were the primary incentive for a racer, they wouldn’t build a S/SS car.

I will drink to that . AMEN Lenny ….QUOTE]

[Ron Ortiz]

Well we still have contingencies to fall back on. Heard that there is a whole new line of them that could come on board. Instead of performance based items there could be such things as eggs, you know, a dozen to win, half a dozen to R/U. Quickly followed by the dairy companies, then there is the meat industry. The possibilities are endless.