New nmca class 2017

[FINESPLINE]

Lets be honest here. Outside of a handful of racers coast to coast, how many sportsman racers are doing it for a living ? Everyone who belongs to every racing association packs up and goes to the track harboring the thought of winning. Some , not so much as others and they all have there own reasons to be there. YOU HAVE HEARD IT BEFORE AND WILL HEAR IT AGAIN-----if you are in it for the money, your in the wrong sport because nobody outside of a few Super Bracket Races will the winnings cover your weekend. It is for the love of the sport. What makes it harder in a performance driven catagory such as S/SS is money . Class racing is a combination of a lot of personalities willing to spend untold amounts of money to be the class bad-azz or the the top qualifiers. It is all about personal satisfaction--can't possibly be about the money. Bottom line at the machine shop---Speed costs money--How fast do want to go ?

[rognelson777]

Here is a different idea, The top half qualifiers have their own Race, they can dial no slower than their best qualifying run, ( maybe allow adjust .05 or .10 slower, but thats it) run it like a regular stock / super stock race, Top half racers will have heads up races if that is how the ladder works out (no break out). The lower qualified cars run a separate regular dial in race with no heads up.

This gives the opportunity for racers that like to let it all hang out run against the same type of racers and the quote bracket racers to have a place to race against class race cars. of course payout will be a problem but it may get some of the $15,000 to $35,000 engine racers to strut their stuff.

Maybe a random number for top half cars, The event organizers does not give a advance number, maybe 16 cars if 40 show up, maybe 8 if 28 show up, make it so racers setup their cars to run as fast as possible while not on full kill zero oil qualifying runs.

Just an idea

[Kevin Panzino]

Originally Posted by FINESPLINE

Lets be honest here. Outside of a handful of racers coast to coast, how many sportsman racers are doing it for a living ?

None. Because if you are doing it for a living, you are a professional, literally by definition.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Crew Chief

Not having "heads up" runs is the reason independent S/SS combos around the country are surviving and even growing in numbers. The average S/SS racer is willing to travel to an event where he feels he has a chance. Allowing heads up runs will only benefit a few select racers but could keep many others from attending.

If NMCA wants their new S/SS combo to prosper, make it with no heads up runs. NMCA should also look at random pairing until the field gets down to 8 cars.

I don't think there's a combo program any more healthy than the one run at Bowling Green. There's no moratorium on heads up races there. If there are no heads up races, it's just a Pro/Super Pro all run bracket race with more rules.

[HandOverFist]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

I don't think there's a combo program any more healthy than the one run at Bowling Green. There's no moratorium on heads up races there. If there are no heads up races, it's just a Pro/Super Pro all run bracket race with more rules.

I run those at Bowling Green every chance I get without qualms. I just don't want to do the same at the NMCA races which is why I will likely run the NMC class...that was my intention long before this discussion ever came up. Either way all will have a good time at the events should they choose to participate.

[moparpilot]

Originally Posted by Jeff Niceswanger

We don't go to many of them for the opposite reasons .. The lack of heads -up runs makes them just a bracket race . We can do that every weekend and only travel 20 miles ... Why in the world, would you want to build a class car, and then be afraid to race class..... I just don't get it . If you get outran, so what? The odds of winning are not that great anyway, . A million things can happen to take you out , right ?
And I think its borderline embarrassing, to try to explain to someone in the lanes, you know, those pesky bracket racers, why your bracket racing with "only" class cars ... As far as their concerned, there can be no other reason, other than we are to good to race with anybody but ourselves ... They ask..." Why not just buy into "Pro ET" ... Now I understand if there are no scales, or its somehow impossible , but in this instance... that is not the case

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[ALMACK]

Originally Posted by rognelson777

Here is a different idea, The top half qualifiers have their own Race, they can dial no slower than their best qualifying run, ( maybe allow adjust .05 or .10 slower, but thats it) run it like a regular stock / super stock race, Top half racers will have heads up races if that is how the ladder works out (no break out). The lower qualified cars run a separate regular dial in race with no heads up.

This gives the opportunity for racers that like to let it all hang out run against the same type of racers and the quote bracket racers to have a place to race against class race cars. of course payout will be a problem but it may get some of the $15,000 to $35,000 engine racers to strut their stuff.

Maybe a random number for top half cars, The event organizers does not give a advance number, maybe 16 cars if 40 show up, maybe 8 if 28 show up, make it so racers setup their cars to run as fast as possible while not on full kill zero oil qualifying runs.

Just an idea

^^ That's actually a pretty good idea.

It satisfies the need for the fast hitters (under index) to strut their stuff while allowing the other class racers their own race.

Good idea about the dial in not being much slower than their quickest qualifying run.

[GeneNMCA]

Originally Posted by Casey Miles

Their entry fee for the each class I ran was $175 for the weekend with $750 for a win...with VERY limited contingency

I personally would not travel to one of their races for that kind of money, why would anyone race that race? I hate to make it about money, but that is what makes the world turn. Local is $50 to win a $1000 in no box. Here we go again, you add the words "Stock and Super Stock" and the ratio of entry fees doesn't even come close to purse amounts. Even NHRA's entry fees of $165 to win a $1000 is a better deal, which sucks at best.

Just my perspective.
Casey Miles
248H Stock?

How did we make the jump from designing a rules package for a new class to how much the entry fee is and what the purse is. NMCA has not decided what the purse will be and will not until we actually complete the rules process. That is so negative the above post makes it sound like the purse structure has already decided.

[Casey Miles]

Originally Posted by Terry Knott

True statement.as long as there isn't a NHRA national/divisional that weekend......that's where the Wally chasers will go.

I've raced NMCA Nostalgia Muscle Car and Open Comp. Fun races, lots of spectators that love street looking/full bodied cars.
Their entry fee for the each class I ran was $175 for the weekend with $750 for a win...with VERY limited contingency.

One rule that should be Implemented/enforced...ALL S/SS competitors should have a NHRA/IHRA permanent number and license. I did email this suggestion to them.

Charley Downing nailed this one...............

I was quoting this post on entry fees.
Casey Miles
248H Stock ?

[Kevin Panzino]

Looking forward to this working out and going to some races.

LOVE the .5 pro tree for sure.