Qualifying with no AHFS

[Michael Beard]

If there would be no AHFS in qualifying and no AHFS in heads-up runs, what's the point of having the AHFS? Probably 10 years ago I suggested using the data that they had collected over the years, factor *every* combination somewhere in the right zip code *once*, and be done with it. If cars weren't underfactored, who wouldn't have to protect your index in the first place.

[Larry Hill]

I thought it was everyone's goal to run as fast as they can, must be an old school thing with me. As Steve Kopien always said " I just got'a know"

[novassdude]

The AHFS does not work only because the racers don't want it to work.

[Dick Butler]

Originally Posted by novassdude

The AHFS does not work only because the racers don't want it to work.

Why would they want it to work on "their cars"? The game is "use the system" of poor factoring, poor supervision, poor NHRA understanding to be a "winner". That system creates a large percentage of unhappy racers because they always are believing others are using the system better than they are, or they cannot sell their car and start with the new shiny, low factored combinations.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Dick Butler

The game is "use the system"

Umm Dick, I hate to say this but isn't that the "American Way"?

[Ed Wright]

We would like it to work on everybody else's cars.

[Dick Butler]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Umm Dick, I hate to say this but isn't that the "American Way"?

I hope it is not "the American way". It may be the way Drag racing currently operates because of the flimsy association rules and supervision of class Stk and SS but not in the real world outside. Lb per HP (decided by ??? to start with) is a flawed approach which encourages this exploitation as a crutch to become a "winner" in these classes.
Very few are only using mechanical skill, driving skill and tune up to win. Most search the rules for loop holes to help them gain a head start in being competitive and feel hurt if their combo is discovered by NHRA by AHFS or hurt by faster competitor.
Don't misunderstand this is encouraged by the rules as they exist. Only a fool would ignore this method of gaining an advantage as it exists. Just the way "NHRA class racing is" yes.

[Mickey Whaley]

Just take your medicine like the rest of us idiots have and the classes would be close to equal if you don't want the ahfs start everybody at scratch or just keep lifting LOL

[Jeff Stout]

If cars were honestly factored when they are first produced. If a mistake is made on factor then correct quickly. If the person or persons were not biased or play favoritism towards certain racers then maybe ahfs would not be needed. Remove the "ifs" and you could remove the ahfs. Its very cool to see what some of these cars can run all out but were our own worst enemy by lifting to save from getting deserved HP

[Dick Butler]

Diversity has become its own worst enemy in our Stk and SS classes now.
In the beginning when only 5 or ten motors were being developed by the racers it was a field of multiple same motored cars in a class.
Now with the massive variations in motors and the specialty companies able to produce Cams, rockers, ported heads, aftermarket heads or rods the available motor combinations is almost unending. Great that it is possible but makes the HP method the downfall.
What is needed might be classes of only Ford Mustangs with certain motors, Copo of same, Make the heads up the big deal. Formula ford, Formula VW were attempts and now sealed motors are used in round track and NMCA heads up chevy class.
( If there is an eliminator run with CIC off records or qualifying.)
Modified was THE way it could be handled. I know the scolding about Money will be used by isn't a $150,000 Stocker that is Supercharged an expensive piece?
If no one on this site HAD their current car and the new Mod classes were available as a level field of competition would we consider these? Would the field be more level across the field?
Nascar saw the writing on the wall LONG ago, Now there is a truck race, a major car set of races, All the same cars and the fans LOVE it.. Even INDY cars are standardized...