2016 Shoot Out Rules posted

[Superfan1]

Jesse, thanks for your thoughtful response.

[Lew Silverman]

Does anyone know where these rules are posted? They're not in the new 2016 Rulebook.

The new format seems to be a better way for GM, Ford and Chrysler/Fiat to showcase their new cars, so we know they're happy! But it does make things a bit confusing, at least for me! To wit:

• Is the Quick 8 a "race within a race within a race"? Will there still be a "Factory Showdown" at these selected events?
• Will the FS/XX and FS/X entries who don't qualify for the "Quick 8" run the "Factory Showdown" or will they be allowed to make adjustments and run their "normal" Factory Stock class. If everyone is correct, there will be 8 less FS/XX entries running in the "Showdown".
• How does the NHRA allocate points for the FS/XX and FS/X entries? If they're only running 4 times-a-year, how do they make-up the points they don't earn in their "normal" FS/-classes during the regular season races?

The "Quick 8" seems to be a great marketing tool, for both the NHRA and the manufacturers! The new TV coverage on Fox Sports should really be able to play this up!

[GUMP]

Here's the link.

http://nhra.com/story/2016/2/22/fact...wdown-sponsor/

[robzneed4speed]

The only question I have are they going to run the quick 8 to completion both Saturday and Sunday, or rounds each day, or only run the final round on Sunday?

[Jeff Teuton]

Hard to understand the logic here. Too simple to have A/FX and B/FX and why have a run off anyway. The Shoot Out's have been horribly administered in the few years they have been here. We won the first NA in Indy, and NHRA had to order another Wally; there was none, but they did and promptly. The indexes were a mile off so the rest of the field was not happy. Two years ago Nick from American Racing Headers offered to sponsor a NA class for the year. He was turned down by NHRA because he did not want to do the blown cars also. I do not agree with Jessee and David that this in a good direction. Of course Jessee Kershaw is always more politically correct than me. Between Ford, Mopar, and Chevrolet there are about 800 of these new cars produced, but in my humble opinion this free multi-million gift to the racing community and mostly NHRA has been treated as unwanted children. And in my earlier post I thought Chevy had input on this. I have been told that this is not true. I apologize. It does not make sense to rule out cars you produced, and Brian Massengill who sponsored the series is written out. Now who in the world would write out the Sponsor? With this post, I am seeking help in Indy to tear down the five cars I am bringing. Jessee can be the Social Director (Beer Boy) of the group, and David Barton and Mike Keener and the rest of the NA guys will be teardownologist.

[GT1707]

I,as Jeff mentioned in his post above cannot understand the logic of this change. How do you change the rules 3 weeks before the first race? Yes, I understand that we can still try and qualify for the quick 8, but in reality what chance does an NA car have against a blower car, heads up??

I don't know about Ford or Dodge but it is my understanding that Chevrolet sells more NA cars than blower cars, so why would the NA cars be made uncompetitive in a series that they were created for?? One would think the the NHRA would want both NA and blower cars showcased!

In conversation with Brian M. he was not aware of this rule change until after the contract was signed, and as Jeff mentioned Brian does not have a competive combination, at this time,to run in the series that he is sponsoring, since he runs an NA car? How does one convert from an NA to a blower combination, plus the chassis upgrade required in 3 weeks, 3 months or even a year if they choose to do so??

I also do not agree with Jesse but understand his position and needing to be politically correct.

As David mentioned, if it does not include both NA and blower cars it would be stupid!

Now I know what the Pro Stock Truck guys felt like, spend a pile of money then have the program, as it was stated, changed in the middle of the game.

Sorry for the rant but had to make my feelings known!!😡😡

Jim Boburka
FS/C 1707

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton

...Too simple to have A/FX and B/FX and why have a run off anyway...

I guess there is only so much sponsor/payout money on the table? I don't know, but I would love to have a N/A class that had potential to put me in the "Big Show". I am not so sure that I want a blower car. And I would be pretty upset if I went down that road and then they changed things up again!

[Mike Keener]

Jim,

I'm in the same boat so i totally get how you feel. Like I said in my post under Jesse's I'm not going to attend Gainsville but will attend the last three races just so they get a first handed look at how much disparity there really is between these combinations.

Probably after Gainsville they would have already figured it out and will fix the problem by restriction on the S/C cars before Englishtown. Then again-I won't be holding my breath for that to happen. It could very well be that this is what NHRA really wants. Likely if they do fix it will be only because the S/C cars will be way too fast to run with the standard cage which is only certified to 8.50. The S/C cars can run so fast it's shocking and have yet to really show what they are truly capable of.

If anyone doesn't believe me-just ask Clay Arnett. He will be the first to tell you there is no way to run these cars against each other in their present form. In fact he already said so in another thread a while back if memory serves me correctly.

Guess we will have to see how this all plays out?

MK

[V M Kauffman]

All Ford has ever built were blower cars, the N/A engine cars were paper cars you couldn't even buy just the engines from Ford they were DIY engines. They way to get ready in 3 weeks is just write a BIG CHECK. IN THIS DEAL THERE WILL ALWAYS RACERS WITH PMS!

Originally Posted by GT1707

I,as Jeff mentioned in his post above cannot understand the logic of this change. How do you change the rules 3 weeks before the first race? Yes, I understand that we can still try and qualify for the quick 8, but in reality what chance does an NA car have against a blower car, heads up??


You guys know from the past how NHRA does things. If you don't like it it easy just don't support them.



I don't know about Ford or Dodge but it is my understanding that Chevrolet sells more NA cars than blower cars, so why would the NA cars be made uncompetitive in a series that they were created for?? One would think the the NHRA would want both NA and blower cars showcased!

In conversation with Brian M. he was not aware of this rule change until after the contract was signed, and as Jeff mentioned Brian does not have a competive combination, at this time,to run in the series that he is sponsoring, since he runs an NA car? How does one convert from an NA to a blower combination, plus the chassis upgrade required in 3 weeks, 3 months or even a year if they choose to do so??

I also do not agree with Jesse but understand his position and needing to be politically correct.

As David mentioned, if it does not include both NA and blower cars it would be stupid!

Now I know what the Pro Stock Truck guys felt like, spend a pile of money then have the program, as it was stated, changed in the middle of the game.

Sorry for the rant but had to make my feelings known!!😡😡

Jim Boburka
FS/C 1707

[GT1707]

Thank You for the info on the Ford combinations, but REALLY, is writing a BIG check the answer? How about this for a novel approach, FAIRNESS, CONSISTANCY, and some LONGEVITY in a currently stated rules package!

Jim Boburka
FS/C 1707