Wow !! Sonoma stock !!! - Page 3

BlueOval Ralph · 07-31-2011, 03:09 PM

Everyone is blaming the Factory, But and a big but is that it is totally the fault of NHRA for not adjusting these ratings they need to fix this ratings. NHRA did not have to approve the screwy ratings. Lean on NHRA to fix it. They NHRA are like the odors in DC

QUOTE=A56;272139]Im not impressed with the times one bit on the 352" mustang at all, nor any of the new cars for that matter. The combo is as bogus as can be, a true slap in the face by NHRA and Ford to us Stock Eliminator Racers, just as all the new Ford and Mopar combinations have been. I have no problem with the new cars being introduced into Stock Eliminator, I would welcome them with open arms, But NHRA , Ford, Mopar, please just simple do the basic math and put a correct horsepower factor on them to begin with. It amazes me that our old cars were built with 40 year old technology, by the same manufacturers, and they are rated basicly the same as the new cars. If this all is true and correct Ford, Mopar, Chevrolet, and us as Men, in due time should be walking on our feet and hands like Cavemen. I have zero respect for any man that kicks people while there on the floor, that hits there children, that feels there a better person than another, or that cant simply put the correct factor on a modern competition engine.

Mark Lelchook
E/SA #704[/QUOTE]

Ed Wright · 07-31-2011, 04:36 PM

Think they would be rated like this if Farmer was still doing it?

bigshow2966 · 07-31-2011, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mickey Whaley

what if he had a heads up second round?

But he didn't.

Rich Biebel · 07-31-2011, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Think they would be rated like this if Farmer was still doing it?

No......Not even the remotest chance....

Anyone that defends this crap is just as corrupt as the people allowing it....

No I don't race stock but I did and have many times going all the way back to 1966......

As a 40+ year membr of NHRA I can say this ranks up there with things like
Dumping the original Stock Eliminator....
Dumping Modified Eliminator......
Dumping Pro Stock Truck.....

Allowing totally BOGUS cars into Stock with ZERO regard for those that have been in it for years and years and supported NHRA.....

Thats just my opinion though and nobody cares because money talks here.....

5343stk · 07-31-2011, 06:37 PM

[QUOTE=Comp 798;272137]Thanks to Chris Holbrook for an awesome motor.

I built my car from a brand new 2010 5spd. V6 "donor" car. It went directly to the shop from the dealership and took me about 11 months working full time and spending 2-3 days on the car to complete it.

On the scales at Infinion I was 3225. 3120 is E/SA. If all the timing was in and I let it leave the starting line when we had 700' of air, it would go 10.0's[/QUOTE

Good Job! If the motor is so fast, stand on it next time. Let's see what you got.

Kinda like bragging about kissing your sister or beating up the smallest kid on the playground.

Grew up in this sport, spent tens of thousands of my own money to have 2 obsolete cars versus the new factory cars. Think I'll stay close to home until things settle down.

Dan Bennett · 07-31-2011, 06:41 PM

You know, this honestly should have been the best thing to happen to Stock and Super Stock in a long, long, time and it got totally screwed up.

45 years ago we all got a great starting point to race from. The introduction of the muscle cars laid the foundation for what we're doing today. But after all these years, you'd have to admit that they're 90% scienced out.

So with the new cars, we should have gotten a fresh start, something to build on for the next forty years. But whether it was corporate greed, stupidity, or something else it's not going to happen that way and we're not going to see those great minds figure out how to make these new cars run at 110% like we did the old ones.

If the cars had been factored correctly, this would have been the golden age for class racing with new vs old, highly teched cars vs development cars, etc.

That got taken away from us and look where we're at. It's beyond sad.

Ed Wright · 07-31-2011, 07:10 PM

Amen!

Andrew Hill · 08-01-2011, 01:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigshow2966

But he didn't.

Here's one example of a guy losing out on a chance to win a national event because he had to race a new car heads up in the 4th round.

http://dragracecentral.com/DRCStory....r2010#indextop

Dave Ficacci has one of the fastest A/SA cars around and got outrun by over 2 tenths, and Duell was even off the gas early. He never even had a chance.

Just curious, what class do you race? Do you have the possibility of racing one heads up?

Jim Wahl · 08-01-2011, 02:20 AM

I'm pretty sure just about everyone from A through J Stock has the possibility of running one of the new cars heads up. Jim

davidhuff · 08-01-2011, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Wahl

I'm pretty sure just about everyone from A through J Stock has the possibility of running one of the new cars heads up. Jim

I am pretty sure that everyone that runs a A thru J stocker has the possibility and chance to build one of these stockers.Get over it because times are changing and not a dam thing you can do to stop change.Sorry you got left behind!

07-31-2011, 03:09 PM	#21
BlueOval Ralph Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 852 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Wow !! Sonoma stock !!! Everyone is blaming the Factory, But and a big but is that it is totally the fault of NHRA for not adjusting these ratings they need to fix this ratings. NHRA did not have to approve the screwy ratings. Lean on NHRA to fix it. They NHRA are like the odors in DC QUOTE=A56;272139]Im not impressed with the times one bit on the 352" mustang at all, nor any of the new cars for that matter. The combo is as bogus as can be, a true slap in the face by NHRA and Ford to us Stock Eliminator Racers, just as all the new Ford and Mopar combinations have been. I have no problem with the new cars being introduced into Stock Eliminator, I would welcome them with open arms, But NHRA , Ford, Mopar, please just simple do the basic math and put a correct horsepower factor on them to begin with. It amazes me that our old cars were built with 40 year old technology, by the same manufacturers, and they are rated basicly the same as the new cars. If this all is true and correct Ford, Mopar, Chevrolet, and us as Men, in due time should be walking on our feet and hands like Cavemen. I have zero respect for any man that kicks people while there on the floor, that hits there children, that feels there a better person than another, or that cant simply put the correct factor on a modern competition engine. Mark Lelchook E/SA #704[/QUOTE]

07-31-2011, 04:36 PM	#22
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: Wow !! Sonoma stock !!! Think they would be rated like this if Farmer was still doing it? __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

07-31-2011, 06:37 PM	#25
5343stk Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Zimmerman, MN Posts: 99 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Wow !! Sonoma stock !!! [QUOTE=Comp 798;272137]Thanks to Chris Holbrook for an awesome motor. I built my car from a brand new 2010 5spd. V6 "donor" car. It went directly to the shop from the dealership and took me about 11 months working full time and spending 2-3 days on the car to complete it. On the scales at Infinion I was 3225. 3120 is E/SA. If all the timing was in and I let it leave the starting line when we had 700' of air, it would go 10.0's[/QUOTE Good Job! If the motor is so fast, stand on it next time. Let's see what you got. Kinda like bragging about kissing your sister or beating up the smallest kid on the playground. Grew up in this sport, spent tens of thousands of my own money to have 2 obsolete cars versus the new factory cars. Think I'll stay close to home until things settle down. __________________ James & Kari Findell (2) 1973 Plymouth Duster's 340 NHRA Stock Eliminator Last edited by 5343stk; 07-31-2011 at 09:49 PM. Reason: Spelling

07-31-2011, 06:41 PM	#26
Dan Bennett Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 439 Likes: 853 Liked 595 Times in 136 Posts	Re: Wow !! Sonoma stock !!! You know, this honestly should have been the best thing to happen to Stock and Super Stock in a long, long, time and it got totally screwed up. 45 years ago we all got a great starting point to race from. The introduction of the muscle cars laid the foundation for what we're doing today. But after all these years, you'd have to admit that they're 90% scienced out. So with the new cars, we should have gotten a fresh start, something to build on for the next forty years. But whether it was corporate greed, stupidity, or something else it's not going to happen that way and we're not going to see those great minds figure out how to make these new cars run at 110% like we did the old ones. If the cars had been factored correctly, this would have been the golden age for class racing with new vs old, highly teched cars vs development cars, etc. That got taken away from us and look where we're at. It's beyond sad.

07-31-2011, 07:10 PM	#27
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: Wow !! Sonoma stock !!! Amen! __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

08-01-2011, 02:20 AM	#29
Jim Wahl Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Central Florida Posts: 5,844 Likes: 667 Liked 683 Times in 129 Posts	Re: Wow !! Sonoma stock !!! I'm pretty sure just about everyone from A through J Stock has the possibility of running one of the new cars heads up. Jim __________________ Jim Wahl....NHRA #2239 S/SS - IHRA # 8 Stock, D2 Stock Champion (forever I guess) 2019 Baby Gators Stock Champion 2009 NHRA D2 National Open Stock Champion 1982 NHRA D2 West Palm Beach LDRS SS Runner Up Past President, Southern Stock / Super Stock Association.