Track is making up rules - Page 3

novassdude · 07-11-2011, 12:23 PM

Phillip, It was explained to me once that there is a line in the rule book that pretty much says that the track operator can pretty much do as he pleases with his track. That was also the day I left said track after not missing a race in 5 years (2 of those years I lived 306 miles from the track one way). He had decided that you can use a replacement car during eliminations if you broke. Of course you had to be one of his buddies to know about the rule.
Fact is on their bracket program they can do as they please no matter what the NHRA rule book says. You just have to decide if you want to play by their rules or not. If you do race there If you really don’t like the rule race some where else.

savoyracer · 07-11-2011, 02:11 PM

In todays economy, with car counts in the toilet, tracks struggling to make a profit, and the future showing no sign of improvement, Why, would any Fool of a track manager DQ a car for a whole year?

Toby Lang · 07-11-2011, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Phillip marvetz

He then went to the tech guy and they went to section 2 page 6 and decided they could use that rule. That rule is for .90 class cars at NHRA event's though, Not Summit E.T bracket cars.

I don't see how this rule is similar to the rule for .90 cars. A .90 car can run .80s all day long and still win the race. Under the new Mission rule if two cars racing each other both have one warning and they both run under the class minimum, they both should be disqualified.

The new Mission rule is totally made up and has no basis in the NHRA rulebook.

-Toby

Mark Yacavone · 07-11-2011, 06:55 PM

Could someone please explain the reasoning or rationale behind a rule such as this?
That is, providing the car passes the safety and tech rules for the next higher class.

larry dowty · 07-11-2011, 06:59 PM

phillip just me but if you go faster then 12.00 you should be out, i see know reason to let you go 11.99 and win, if you both go 11.99 both are out.

bad man · 07-11-2011, 08:07 PM

Larry did not read my post and still doesnt understand bracket racing. 11.99 has nothing to do with dialing your car 12.00 it is just a brake out. its still the closet one to your legal dial in that counts. Last year we could only dial 12.80 in sportsman so are you saying if you run 12.79 your kicked out ? I broke out a lot of racers running in the 12.70 and if i was closer to my 12.80 dial i usually won the race on there brake out but no one was ever dq for brakeing out. DON THE WORM ELGIN

Toby Lang · 07-11-2011, 08:08 PM

Mark,

Sounds like a familiar story to me. A few people who are dialing 12.0s and running in the 11s occasionally are winning a few races, so they must have an unfair advantage.

Kind of like those people who used to knock the pre-stage lights out.

-Toby

Hudlow66 · 07-11-2011, 09:47 PM

Same deal in Pro. Div.6 changed Pro bracket to 9.0 (for a min.) last year. I went to the bracket finals in Mission and ran many (many) 9.01-9.04 passes. I asked Adams what would happen if I happen to run a 8.99. Would I be tossed? He said no and not to worry about it. Just dial 9.00 and have at it. If it's a double breakout and I was closer to my dial, I'd still be in with no issues. 9.00 in Pro and 12.00 in Spt., is simpily the quickest one can dial, in said classes. No cause to DQ for running under.

goinbroke2 · 07-12-2011, 06:28 AM

12:00 is the quickest you can DIAL, not the quickest you can RUN.

You dial 13:00 and run 12:50 and I dial 12:00 and run 11:51.

I win because;
(1) I dialed within the parameters of the class (12:00 minimum) and
(2) you broke out worse.

Unless it is stated in clear and concise wording that "you cannot run quicker than minimum dial" it is horsecrap.

On the other hand there is also the "it's my racetrack and I'll do what I like, you don't like it then leave" mentality which never helps.

Harry 6674 · 07-12-2011, 10:54 AM

I was racing in Woodburn Ore. a few years ago and trying to slow down enough to race in sportsman. My first two time shots were .05-.08 to fast and was told to move to pro or park it. Simple as that. They evidently feel that you should be in the correct class for your cars capability to lessen the chance of having to dynamite the brakes to take a bunch off.

07-11-2011, 12:23 PM	#21
novassdude Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: usa Posts: 752 Likes: 204 Liked 136 Times in 49 Posts	Re: Track is making up rules Phillip, It was explained to me once that there is a line in the rule book that pretty much says that the track operator can pretty much do as he pleases with his track. That was also the day I left said track after not missing a race in 5 years (2 of those years I lived 306 miles from the track one way). He had decided that you can use a replacement car during eliminations if you broke. Of course you had to be one of his buddies to know about the rule. Fact is on their bracket program they can do as they please no matter what the NHRA rule book says. You just have to decide if you want to play by their rules or not. If you do race there If you really don’t like the rule race some where else.

07-11-2011, 02:11 PM	#22
savoyracer Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Myrtle Point Oregon Posts: 92 Likes: 3 Liked 9 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Track is making up rules In todays economy, with car counts in the toilet, tracks struggling to make a profit, and the future showing no sign of improvement, Why, would any Fool of a track manager DQ a car for a whole year?

07-11-2011, 06:55 PM	#24
Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,808 Likes: 2,899 Liked 5,109 Times in 1,947 Posts	Re: Track is making up rules Could someone please explain the reasoning or rationale behind a rule such as this? That is, providing the car passes the safety and tech rules for the next higher class. __________________ "We are lucky we don't get as much Government as we pay for." Will Rogers

07-11-2011, 06:59 PM	#25
larry dowty Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: chewelah wa Posts: 283 Likes: 0 Liked 11 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Track is making up rules phillip just me but if you go faster then 12.00 you should be out, i see know reason to let you go 11.99 and win, if you both go 11.99 both are out. __________________ larry dowty 6388 SS

07-11-2011, 08:07 PM	#26
bad man Junior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 15 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Track is making up rules Larry did not read my post and still doesnt understand bracket racing. 11.99 has nothing to do with dialing your car 12.00 it is just a brake out. its still the closet one to your legal dial in that counts. Last year we could only dial 12.80 in sportsman so are you saying if you run 12.79 your kicked out ? I broke out a lot of racers running in the 12.70 and if i was closer to my 12.80 dial i usually won the race on there brake out but no one was ever dq for brakeing out. DON THE WORM ELGIN

07-11-2011, 08:08 PM	#27
Toby Lang VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 2,133 Likes: 2 Liked 2 Times in 1 Post	Re: Track is making up rules Mark, Sounds like a familiar story to me. A few people who are dialing 12.0s and running in the 11s occasionally are winning a few races, so they must have an unfair advantage. Kind of like those people who used to knock the pre-stage lights out. -Toby

07-11-2011, 09:47 PM	#28
Hudlow66 Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Spokane Valley, WA Posts: 59 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Track is making up rules Same deal in Pro. Div.6 changed Pro bracket to 9.0 (for a min.) last year. I went to the bracket finals in Mission and ran many (many) 9.01-9.04 passes. I asked Adams what would happen if I happen to run a 8.99. Would I be tossed? He said no and not to worry about it. Just dial 9.00 and have at it. If it's a double breakout and I was closer to my dial, I'd still be in with no issues. 9.00 in Pro and 12.00 in Spt., is simpily the quickest one can dial, in said classes. No cause to DQ for running under. __________________ Phil Hudlow 6678 (S/C, S/G, ET-PRO)

07-12-2011, 06:28 AM	#29
goinbroke2 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NS CANADA Posts: 884 Likes: 1,564 Liked 381 Times in 148 Posts	Re: Track is making up rules 12:00 is the quickest you can DIAL, not the quickest you can RUN. You dial 13:00 and run 12:50 and I dial 12:00 and run 11:51. I win because; (1) I dialed within the parameters of the class (12:00 minimum) and (2) you broke out worse. Unless it is stated in clear and concise wording that "you cannot run quicker than minimum dial" it is horsecrap. On the other hand there is also the "it's my racetrack and I'll do what I like, you don't like it then leave" mentality which never helps.

07-12-2011, 10:54 AM	#30
Harry 6674 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 589 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Track is making up rules I was racing in Woodburn Ore. a few years ago and trying to slow down enough to race in sportsman. My first two time shots were .05-.08 to fast and was told to move to pro or park it. Simple as that. They evidently feel that you should be in the correct class for your cars capability to lessen the chance of having to dynamite the brakes to take a bunch off.