2012 Mustang 5.0

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by MikeFicacci

Excuse me for being out of touch when I asked if a car that rated at 412 and has a weight of 3670 pounds from the factory is going to be available in the classification guide without some massaging so the general public with $100,000 sitting around can be #1 and pretend like they have a big dick.

Mike, be careful there young man. You're starting to sound like me!

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

Mike you guys act like this HP game is something new to the sport. Get over it, it has been this way for 50 plus years. NHRA makes the rules NOT ford, gm or any other car company. Sorry your 40 year old combo is no longer one of the faster cars.

Charlie, you could have gotten your point across a whole lot better if you had stopped your comment right there. Mike, his brothers and his dad aren't "pushing the rules" any harder than you, your brother and your dad.

[Charley Downing]

Billy you are correct. Everyone is pushing the rules myself included. This is just NHRA's way of getting back at all the racers that have been pushing the rules. Now all the expensive acid ported covered up stuff is worthless. It's all part of playing the game called STOCK.

[MikeFicacci]

I have no interest in getting into this with you Charley because #1 I have no idea who you are or what you race and #2 think the idea of the new cars has been beat to death. I was simply trying to say that a 2011 5.0 from the factory would make an awesome B/SA car and if I had the money would do it in an instant because it is a 100% factory-built, production vehicle that you can drive off the lot and that's something that I think is worth being proud of at the end of the day. Go ahead, call me an "assclown" for saying so.

[Charley Downing]

Mike your not an A$$clown. You actually go to the race track and race. My point is having it rated at 412hp is way to much. The car would weight 3670 in B/SA and it's still only 302 CI. It's not a good combo at 412 HP.

[MikeFicacci]

The stick is a low 12-second car from the factory. Let's not forget that pre-all this craziness, 10.20's were fast in B/S and there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that can't be accomplished with an overhead cam 302 engine. Granted you can't purchase the car, take it to the track and have everyone covered by a half-a-second, but someone who is actually interested in putting in the time and r&d could get that car to fly.

Overhead cams, variable valve timing, lightweight pistons, fully-roller motor, fuel injection? I would love that challenge.

[ALMACK]

Mike:
There is a proposed new 5.0 Coyote class that may very well happen next year within the NMRA. (heads up format of course)

Based very close to Pure Street class build guidelines, I noticed where a Stock Eliminator car could easily fit the rules by swapping in one of those crate engines.

The whole idea centers around Ford's 5.0 Coyote crate engine. Guys could put a stock crate 5.0 into any 1979-2012 Mustang and 79-93 Fox bodies....3100 lbs min.

Anyway, here is a link to the proposal. I sure hope Ford gets on board with this.

http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=332505

[Damn Yankee]

Originally Posted by ALMACK

Mike:
There is a proposed new 5.0 Coyote class that may very well happen next year within the NMRA. (heads up format of course)

Based very close to Pure Street class build guidelines, I noticed where a Stock Eliminator car could easily fit the rules by swapping in one of those crate engines.

The whole idea centers around Ford's 5.0 Coyote crate engine. Guys could put a stock crate 5.0 into any 1979-2012 Mustang and 79-93 Fox bodies....3100 lbs min.

Anyway, here is a link to the proposal. I sure hope Ford gets on board with this.

http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=332505

Alan, I too have followed this thread and there will be strict restrictions with zero tuning or changing of the EFI computer setup, and the engines will be sealed allowing zero changes to anything as well. I dont necessarily have a big problem with this, as it is meant to be a drivers class and you have to invest in your chassis setup. My problem is like anything else with the NMRA or the NMCA thats involves a clutch, and manula transmission. Unless you run Hot Street, or Pro Stock you are restricted to the stock diaphragm style clutch, and no straight cut gears in the transmissions.

[ALMACK]

Originally Posted by Damn Yankee

Alan, I too have followed this thread and there will be strict restrictions with zero tuning or changing of the EFI computer setup, and the engines will be sealed allowing zero changes to anything as well. I dont necessarily have a big problem with this, as it is meant to be a drivers class and you have to invest in your chassis setup. My problem is like anything else with the NMRA or the NMCA thats involves a clutch, and manula transmission. Unless you run Hot Street, or Pro Stock you are restricted to the stock diaphragm style clutch, and no straight cut gears in the transmissions.

What caught my interest was the fact that a Stock Eliminator racer that is very savy with chassis set-up knowledge could do well in this proposed class.

There is talk of allowing C-4 transmissions w/brakes but without any weight breaks for the autos.

I mentioned in that thread about re-wording the rule regarding tire diameter limits. I would like to see a 28 in. tall tire max...instead of the 26" rule. Lots of guys can tune a 28" setup well, plus it will give more choices for gear selection.

I have confidence this class will catch on. However, the problem is how do you prevent it from becoming yet another "run-away wallet" class ?

[kdanner]

Originally Posted by MikeFicacci

What am I missing? The rulebook? The car is available to the public as it sits and goes high-11's with a stick and a little work. Maybe you need NHRA to make up some number so you can run fast. I have no idea but I do know that anyone who is anyone can make this ACTUAL production car run and run well in B.

Excuse me for being out of touch when I asked if a car that rated at 412 and has a weight of 3670 pounds from the factory is going to be available in the classification guide without some massaging so the general public with $100,000 sitting around can be #1 and pretend like they have a big ****.

Mostly agree, don't think it would get to the point that it would "run well", but it could run in B. I have one with an automatic. Right now it is .12 over the B/SA index. It would be 100% stock legal if I took the drag radials off and put slicks on. It is overweight but would start to get close just with all of that 3" exhaust pulled off it. I haven't even put headers on it. It has never even had a valve cover off. I'd guess it might be reasonable to get one to .50 under, may get tough beyond that though. If the Boss ends up in A, I think that would be the better car.