How do you close tech for a race?

scott helms · 04-07-2010, 10:44 AM

Question being how do you close tech on the 2009 TOC IHRA race if it was never run? Not a pass or quailfying run in any class, (however you did get 74 time trials in the 12 days I was there.) I have a very good friend who was told even tough he's in the TOC for 2009 by winning two div and a national that because he did not tech in last year he can not run this years 09-10 TOC and he's already quailified in 2010 by winning a national. if this is so. I'll not run any IHRA races this year just my thoughts. And if his name appears in IHRA DRM does that mean its not true who quailfied?

THE LEGEND · 04-07-2010, 12:53 PM

Scott,
I feel his pain. I on the other hand as did many others made the effort to show up for that fiasco in October. We were told then that if you did not show up you would not be eligible for the make up race. I know guys that pulled hundreds of miles to be there. That being said I think it's fair. Don't look down on me for my opinion because thats all it is my opion. By the way who is your friend.
Chip Johnson

scott helms · 04-07-2010, 03:53 PM

Thanks for reply chip, it's Tim (TOO SWEET) "sugar cane farmer" Hebert. and normally I don't get on here and vent. BUT I own a car and race and supported IHRA,NHRA and SSSSA last year but this year is different with money tight I dont see why our sanctioning bodys don't want all the cars they can get. On your response: why are all the quailfied people not allowed in 09 race ? because they did not sit threw the b... s....,?THATS CRAZY!!!!!!!! So bottom line they lost my brother Kevin (2), Tims and partner Little Joe (3)and I from the local race next weekend in lufkin and any other race from now on. Plus any one I can warn about them being sportsman frendly, thank you IHRA for helping my budget. now maybe I can go up north while its hot down here and run Englishtown etc. don't get me wrong I love stk/ss and I will race but dont say one thing and do something else. just my 2 cents

Toby Lang · 04-07-2010, 05:10 PM

Scott,

I have to agree with you. I could see them not letting him race if it was a regular national event, but this is NOT a regular race, it's the freakin' Tournament Of Champions! They are racing to decide who the World Champion is. Since he's qualified he should get to race.

Pretty lame if you ask me.

-Toby

Bill Grubbs · 04-07-2010, 06:05 PM

What about the winners from Edmonton, AB. where because of time and money can not make it back. Accomodations should be made for all who have qualified!

And...a World Championship should be decided on "Sustained Performance."

jackson4431 · 04-19-2010, 02:47 PM

I just got off the phone with Baker from IHRA and he told me the same thing. Me and my Dad are also qualified for the stock field in the TOC. Doesn't make sense that we used our heads to not go sit in the rain and now being told you can't come back.

Beth Denysenko · 04-21-2010, 06:39 AM

Often you see posts from not-current-racers getting flamed by people who say "you don't have a dog in this fight, you don't race, your comments don't count." If you weren't there in October and/or weren't ever qualified to enter, why do you care and why are you commenting? It doesn't affect you. Please don't stir up more controversy - this mess doesn't need it.

FWIW, I agree with Brandon. If you didn't make the effort - the EXTREMELY long and character building effort to be there through the whole thing, then why should you get the chance to come back? It was not like the whole weekend was a complete rain out. Quite the opposite.

I know this because I was there. I believe I was the local reporter in a thread about this . . . . click here to read it. What actually happened is well chronicled with time stamps and everything. We raced every day, quite a bit of the day in fact. For Saturday and Sunday it wasn't rain but cold & wind that made it difficult. This created a track that offered a lot of challenges that took time to work out. We even raced Monday off and on until mid-afternoon. It was not a complete rain out at all. Those of you NOT THERE wouldn’t know that.

Turn out was extremely high for the final event to gain entry to the TOC. So high in fact, we started four hours late on the first day that was gorgeous waiting for all the people to get through tech. Then we had oil downs from both sportsmen and pros, multiple crashes, problems with the tree, lots of time prepping the track trying to get it to hook then they decided it hooked too much.

People who now say they stayed home in October because of the weather is a copout. That's not the reason for the postponement. Those of us who were there know this. It's what killed the idea of staying another day to finish it - Tuesday and Wednesday WERE complete wash outs. I know, we watched the radar the whole two days going home in the motorhome. IHRA knew this too, that’s why they called the race Monday afternoon and sent us home.

I believe (and it's a good decision, one of the few that came out of this mess) if you didn't suffer with the group in October, didn't make the good faith effort to be there for the first race, why should you get to come back?

If you were there and believe I am wrong, then flame away.

danny waters sr · 04-21-2010, 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beth Kieffer

Often you see posts from not-current-racers getting flamed by people who say "you don't have a dog in this fight, you don't race, your comments don't count." If you weren't there in October and/or weren't ever qualified to enter, why do you care and why are you commenting? It doesn't affect you. Please don't stir up more controversy - this mess doesn't need it.

FWIW, I agree with Brandon. If you didn't make the effort - the EXTREMELY long and character building effort to be there through the whole thing, then why should you get the chance to come back? It was not like the whole weekend was a complete rain out. Quite the opposite.

I know this because I was there. I believe I was the local reporter in a thread about this . . . . click here to read it. What actually happened is well chronicled with time stamps and everything. We raced every day, quite a bit of the day in fact. For Saturday and Sunday it wasn't rain but cold & wind that made it difficult. This created a track that offered a lot of challenges that took time to work out. We even raced Monday off and on until mid-afternoon. It was not a complete rain out at all. Those of you NOT THERE wouldn’t know that.

Turn out was extremely high for the final event to gain entry to the TOC. So high in fact, we started four hours late on the first day that was gorgeous waiting for all the people to get through tech. Then we had oil downs from both sportsmen and pros, multiple crashes, problems with the tree, lots of time prepping the track trying to get it to hook then they decided it hooked too much.

People who now say they stayed home in October because of the weather is a copout. That's not the reason for the postponement. Those of us who were there know this. It's what killed the idea of staying another day to finish it - Tuesday and Wednesday WERE complete wash outs. I know, we watched the radar the whole two days going home in the motorhome. IHRA knew this too, that’s why they called the race Monday afternoon and sent us home.

I believe (and it's a good decision, one of the few that came out of this mess) if you didn't suffer with the group in October, didn't make the good faith effort to be there for the first race, why should you get to come back?

If you were there and believe I am wrong, then flame away.

I was not going to comment on this but Beth you and Brandon hit it on the head and are dead on with an egg. I was there even longer than the racers and believe me it was a BAD DREAM. Hope to see all that was there before be able to make it back and GOOD LUCK once again. See ya in tech.

Michael Lyons · 04-21-2010, 09:37 AM

You can still come for the National event on Sat/Sun.. well assuming it doesn't rain and the tracks not death defyin or anything..

Michael Lyons · 04-21-2010, 09:43 AM

p.s. Get well soon Mike Beard, I'll have to remember to stay away from your pits, I'm funny enuf lookin already...

04-07-2010, 10:44 AM	#1
scott helms Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Pierre Part,la. Posts: 253 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	How do you close tech for a race? Question being how do you close tech on the 2009 TOC IHRA race if it was never run? Not a pass or quailfying run in any class, (however you did get 74 time trials in the 12 days I was there.) I have a very good friend who was told even tough he's in the TOC for 2009 by winning two div and a national that because he did not tech in last year he can not run this years 09-10 TOC and he's already quailified in 2010 by winning a national. if this is so. I'll not run any IHRA races this year just my thoughts. And if his name appears in IHRA DRM does that mean its not true who quailfied? __________________ SCOTT HELMS Stk,SS 2540 Last edited by scott helms; 04-07-2010 at 10:47 AM.

04-07-2010, 12:53 PM	#2
THE LEGEND VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Fayetteville, n.c. Posts: 1,411 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: How do you close tech for a race? Scott, I feel his pain. I on the other hand as did many others made the effort to show up for that fiasco in October. We were told then that if you did not show up you would not be eligible for the make up race. I know guys that pulled hundreds of miles to be there. That being said I think it's fair. Don't look down on me for my opinion because thats all it is my opion. By the way who is your friend. Chip Johnson

04-07-2010, 03:53 PM	#3
scott helms Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Pierre Part,la. Posts: 253 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: How do you close tech for a race? Thanks for reply chip, it's Tim (TOO SWEET) "sugar cane farmer" Hebert. and normally I don't get on here and vent. BUT I own a car and race and supported IHRA,NHRA and SSSSA last year but this year is different with money tight I dont see why our sanctioning bodys don't want all the cars they can get. On your response: why are all the quailfied people not allowed in 09 race ? because they did not sit threw the b... s....,?THATS CRAZY!!!!!!!! So bottom line they lost my brother Kevin (2), Tims and partner Little Joe (3)and I from the local race next weekend in lufkin and any other race from now on. Plus any one I can warn about them being sportsman frendly, thank you IHRA for helping my budget. now maybe I can go up north while its hot down here and run Englishtown etc. don't get me wrong I love stk/ss and I will race but dont say one thing and do something else. just my 2 cents __________________ SCOTT HELMS Stk,SS 2540

04-07-2010, 05:10 PM	#4
Toby Lang VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 2,133 Likes: 2 Liked 2 Times in 1 Post	Re: How do you close tech for a race? Scott, I have to agree with you. I could see them not letting him race if it was a regular national event, but this is NOT a regular race, it's the freakin' Tournament Of Champions! They are racing to decide who the World Champion is. Since he's qualified he should get to race. Pretty lame if you ask me. -Toby

04-07-2010, 06:05 PM	#5
Bill Grubbs Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Magnolia, Texas Posts: 416 Likes: 3 Liked 564 Times in 66 Posts	Re: How do you close tech for a race? What about the winners from Edmonton, AB. where because of time and money can not make it back. Accomodations should be made for all who have qualified! And...a World Championship should be decided on "Sustained Performance."

04-19-2010, 02:47 PM	#6
jackson4431 Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: monroe Posts: 3 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: How do you close tech for a race? I just got off the phone with Baker from IHRA and he told me the same thing. Me and my Dad are also qualified for the stock field in the TOC. Doesn't make sense that we used our heads to not go sit in the rain and now being told you can't come back.

04-21-2010, 06:39 AM	#7
Beth Denysenko Live Reporter Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: NW Indiana Posts: 426 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: How do you close tech for a race? Often you see posts from not-current-racers getting flamed by people who say "you don't have a dog in this fight, you don't race, your comments don't count." If you weren't there in October and/or weren't ever qualified to enter, why do you care and why are you commenting? It doesn't affect you. Please don't stir up more controversy - this mess doesn't need it. FWIW, I agree with Brandon. If you didn't make the effort - the EXTREMELY long and character building effort to be there through the whole thing, then why should you get the chance to come back? It was not like the whole weekend was a complete rain out. Quite the opposite. I know this because I was there. I believe I was the local reporter in a thread about this . . . . click here to read it. What actually happened is well chronicled with time stamps and everything. We raced every day, quite a bit of the day in fact. For Saturday and Sunday it wasn't rain but cold & wind that made it difficult. This created a track that offered a lot of challenges that took time to work out. We even raced Monday off and on until mid-afternoon. It was not a complete rain out at all. Those of you NOT THERE wouldn’t know that. Turn out was extremely high for the final event to gain entry to the TOC. So high in fact, we started four hours late on the first day that was gorgeous waiting for all the people to get through tech. Then we had oil downs from both sportsmen and pros, multiple crashes, problems with the tree, lots of time prepping the track trying to get it to hook then they decided it hooked too much. People who now say they stayed home in October because of the weather is a copout. That's not the reason for the postponement. Those of us who were there know this. It's what killed the idea of staying another day to finish it - Tuesday and Wednesday WERE complete wash outs. I know, we watched the radar the whole two days going home in the motorhome. IHRA knew this too, that’s why they called the race Monday afternoon and sent us home. I believe (and it's a good decision, one of the few that came out of this mess) if you didn't suffer with the group in October, didn't make the good faith effort to be there for the first race, why should you get to come back? If you were there and believe I am wrong, then flame away. __________________ Beth Denysenko P/SA 330 www.moneymakerracing.net Last edited by Beth Denysenko; 04-21-2010 at 06:49 AM.

04-21-2010, 09:37 AM	#9
Michael Lyons Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Garden City, MI Posts: 226 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: How do you close tech for a race? You can still come for the National event on Sat/Sun.. well assuming it doesn't rain and the tracks not death defyin or anything..

04-21-2010, 09:43 AM	#10
Michael Lyons Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Garden City, MI Posts: 226 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: How do you close tech for a race? p.s. Get well soon Mike Beard, I'll have to remember to stay away from your pits, I'm funny enuf lookin already...