Rambler All-American

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[67RogueX-code]

Originally Posted by Paul Ceasrine

Moose,

1967 Rambler American
* Model 220 2-Door Sedan
* Model 220 4-Door Sedan
* Model 220 4-Door Station Wagon
* Model 440 2-Door Sedan
* Model 440 4-Door Sedan
* Model 440 4-Door Station Wagon
* Model 440 2-Door Hardtop
* Model Rogue 2-Door Hardtop
* Model Rogue Convertible

Standard with the 290/225 HP Engine
* 3.15 Gears (3.54 were optional at No Charge)
* 10" Flanged Drum Brakes

Note; Though Power Disc Brakes were available, the drum brakes worked fine for stopping.

Only 58 of the Rambler Americans (Model 440 or Rogue) came equipped with the 343/280 HP 'Typhoon Engine'

1967 Production Numbers with the 343 'Typhoon'

* Model 440 (2-Door Sedan),,,,,,,,,,,,,10
* Model 440 (2-Door Hardtop),,,,,,,,,,,8
* Rogue (2-Door Hardtop),,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,33
* Rogue (Convertibles),,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,7

Paul,

I'm new here, and I have owned 2 of (what us AMC-folks refer to them as) the American "X-code" cars... Americans with the 343-engine had an "X" in the VIN-code. I have never found documentation validating the numbers you mentioned above, with the breakdown of how many 343's were installed in each model of the American... can you tell me where those numbers came from?

A couple of other notes. The "Super American" term was actually coined by an author of a magazine article, rather than by the factory... AMC never used this term (that I could find anyways). Also, the reference to broken windshields, actually occurred with the sedans rather than the hardtops. The theory is that the sedans made the top more rigid, forcing the "flex-point" to be in the windshield-area, as opposed to the hardtops, where the flex tended to be absorbed across the entire roof.

And to another question posted... the 343 Americans could be ordered by anyone walking in, and placing an order... as a matter of fact, every single "X-code" American that was built in 1967, were Customers' order cars. I ordered my first one, the very first work day of 1967... a black/black Rogue, 343, 4-speed, from Plummer Motors in Swanton, Ohio.

And lastly, although not mentioned so far. There (generally) is a consensus that these were only available as 4-speed cars... which likely was true for those available to the general public after January 1 1967. There is one known automatic 343 equiped American built in October of 1966... which is currently being restored on a rotisserie, in my garage.

[Hemi Moose]

67RogueX-code, welcome aboard it's great to see some new blood posting on here...and you've got to post some old photos of your rides if you have any.

[Paul Ceasrine]

67Rogue X-Code,

Glad to have you aboard the All-American thread.

I'm a Mopar Gear-Head,,,,,but always liked the AMC cars,,,,

Information on the cracked windshields;

Straight from; The Standard Catalog of American Cars
1967 Rambler Rogue; Page 12

"The body integrity of the 67' Rambler with the 343 engine was a major problem, especially in the hardtop, and even more so in the convertible."

The 'Super American', though never an official name of the car with the
343, was used by dealers with a 'performance group, and Rambler street guys.

As I stated earlier, though anybody could order one, it appears that only '2' were actually ordered by dealers as part of their stocking inventory.

The other '56' were ordered by customers, as you could not find one on the dealership lot.

As for actual production numbers;
they came from an old article about
Geis Rambler, East Main Street, Shrub Oak, New York.

Geis stated that they had one of the (8) 67' Rambler American 440 'hardtops' with the 343/280 HP 4-Speed.,,,,,,,,,,
which they drag raced (67' thru 69').

The car was Frost White with I think, blue interior, and Radar Wheels.

Car name; 'FROST ACTION'

Engine built by; Joe Jill of 'Speedwin Automotive'

The information was later confirmed by the American Motors Corporation, Regional Zone Office, on North Saw Mill River Road, in Elmsford New York

[Paul Ceasrine]

1967 Rambler Rogue '343'

First appearance, the 1967 Chicago Auto Show
February 25 thru March 5, 1967.
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Motor Trend Magazine 'Project Car'

1967 Rambler rogue, 343/280 HP 4-Speed

Out to improve 'Car & Drivers' performance results of 15.80 @ 88 MPH.

Using primarily 'over-the counter bolt-on' performance parts.

Performance results;
13.90 @ 100 MPH
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Also, Rockford Rambler, out of (Rockford, Illinois)

They ran a Dealership Drag Race Car Set-up, a 1967 Rambler American, 440 2-Door Sedan 343/280 HP

In early-mid 1967, they would trailor their car to the drag strip,
to drag race and try to impress the young performance minded kids
with a Rambler Musclecar'

From Rockford, Illinois, to Oswego Drag Strip
(about 75 miles away).

Classed in NHRA B/Stock
The car ran impressive 13.40's,

But, they experienced some excessive body-flexing in the uni-body construction, as well as some axle-hopping, which in turn limited their
off the line launches.

But, they did impress,,,,,,as they did put away some Chevy's, Fords and
Mopars.

[67RogueX-code]

Originally Posted by Paul Ceasrine

As for actual production numbers;
they came from an old article about
Geis Rambler, East Main Street, Shrub Oak, New York.

Geis stated that they had one of the (8) 67' Rambler American 440 'hardtops' with the 343/280 HP 4-Speed.,,,,,,,,,,which they drag raced (67' thru 69').
The car was Frost White with I think, blue interior, and Radar wheels.

Car name; 'FROST ACTION'

Engine built by; Joe Jill of 'Speedwin Automotive'

The information was later confirmed by the American Motors Corporation, Regional Zone Office, on North Saw Mill River Road, in Elsmford New York

Thanks for getting back with that information. Would you happen to have a copy of that article? I still have some doubts about the numbers though... first there aren't any 220's listed (and I personally know of 2), and I have never found anyone that could verify that there were any 343 convertibles built.

This is really good stuff!!! And believe me, there are about 100 AMC guys/gals from theAMCforum.com that are currently reading this.

[Paul Ceasrine]

Rogue,

Believe me,,,,,,,,,I'm no expert on these cars,,,,,,but have seen my fair share of them.

You would think, a smart racer would have wanted a Base Model 220,
2-Door Sedan,,,,,,,,

But again, according the Rambler Literature,,,,,,,,they state that the
343/280 HP 'Z' Code engine was not available in the Model 220.

Of course,,,,,,,,,,,,anything can have been bought...back then.

On the exterior markings,

The Model 220 and Model 440, had emblems on the front fender.
Also, the Rogue emblem was on the front fender.

The 290 V-8 engine call out was placed on the back fender.

The Model 220 and Model 440 had 'American' on the front fender.

Both the Model 440 and Rogue, had a brushed panel insert for the
back trunk lid.

The Model 440 and Rogue, had a trim molding section at the base of the 'C' pillar.

Drip-rail moldings were standard the Model 440 and Rogue.

Lower window trim moldings, Rogue only.

Full-length fender crown trim molding, Rogue only.

The lower exterior full-length band-molding was standard on the
Model 440 and the Rogue.

That molding was not available on the Base Model 220.

Rocker panel moldings were (optional), and were available on all models.

Bucket seats were available in the Rogue only.

[Hemi Moose]

Motor Trend Magazine 'Project Car'

1967 Rambler Rogue, 343/280 HP 4-Speed

Out to improve 'Car & Drivers' performance results of 15.80 @ 88 MPH.

Using primarily 'over-the counter bolt-on' performance parts.

Performance results;
13.90 @ 100 MPH

So Motor Trend and Car & Driver both had this as a road test car back then...here's a couple pages from Car & Driver magazine.

[67RogueX-code]

Originally Posted by Paul Ceasrine

Rogue,

Believe me,,,,,,,,,I'm no expert on these cars,,,,,,but have seen my fair share of them.

You would think, a smart racer would have wanted a Base Model 220,
2-Door Sedan,,,,,,,,

But again, according the Rambler Literature,,,,,,,,they state that the
343/280 HP 'Z' Code engine was not available in the Model 220.

Of course,,,,,,,,,,,,anything can have been bought...back then.

On the exterior markings,

The Model 220 and Model 440, had emblems on the front fender.
Also, the Rogue emblem was on the front fender.

The 290 V-8 engine call out was placed on the back fender.

The Model 220 and Model 440 had 'American' on the front fender.

Both the Model 440 and Rogue, had a brushed panel insert for the
back trunk lid.

The Model 440 and Rogue, had a trim molding section at the base of the 'C' pillar.

Drip-rail moldings were standard the Model 440 and Rogue.

Lower window trim moldings, Rogue only.

Full-length fender crown trim molding, Rogue only.

The lower exterior full-length band-molding was standard on the
Model 440 and the Rogue.

That molding was not available on the Base Model 220.

Rocker panel moldings were (optional), and were available on all models.

Bucket seats were available in the Rogue only.

Paul,

Any chance you can make you documentation available to the AMC community?

Some clarification:
"The 290 V-8 engine call out was placed on the back fender." All engines had call-outs on the rear-fenders.

"The Model 440 and Rogue, had a trim molding section at the base of the 'C' pillar." There were actually four different trim-moldings at the base of the 'C' pillar, all were different, and none were interchangeable, they each had different (mounting) holes... 220's had their own, 440's had different ones, Rogues (without vinyl) actually had 2 per side, and Rogues (with vinyl) had their own.

Everything else is accurate.

Trivia question: All X-code '67 American had a distinguishing feature, visible in the trunk, do you know what it was?

Go ahead and email me directly if you can make your documentation available... thanks for all of your help.