Bill Holt's call !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - Page 3

jerrym · 10-22-2007, 03:09 PM

Micheal
I think we both know my car could make the index at each of those races...and did!
Jeremy Mitchell

stockracer · 10-22-2007, 03:34 PM

I never thought id agree with Beard but he makes a valid point, There are a ton of people who dont qual. under the index, but we all know they can run well under!

Heres what we do...Lets hire 10 of the old guys, 55 and over, that havent won a race in 20yrs, and still think stock is all about as fast as you can go! We will let them make an invitation only stock eliminator, They can change the rules at will, and kick you out if you win to many events!

SHUT UP! Who cares what they race, most people are for keeping the slow classes (as am I) and letting people with underfunded teams go racing! A rental car is A great way for some one to experience a Stock Elim. weekend with limited expense! Hell I encourage it, And fans love it!

He with the most points wins the championship, simple! If you lost because a guy JUST SHOWED UP at an event, then he obviously did better through out the year, and must have had a race car at home!

Deep staging is gone...
Buttons are gone...
Soon stockers will be eliminated in superstock..
Now were goin to have to choose who gets to race what...

Michael Beard · 10-22-2007, 03:50 PM

Right. So, if you knew in advance that the rules required you to run under the index, you would have. In the same instance, I'm sure Chris Jackson would have made arrangements to get his car to the track or borrow a car, accordingly. You both played within the rules. The outcome would have been the same, regardless. Would it have sucked if I were in your shoes? Sure - same as my Rockingham points example. Sucks that I didn't win two more rounds this year, too!

Hindsight is 20/20, but again, people *did* take issue with the bonus points, and the rule has since been changed. If you'd like to recommend the DQ for non-index-running cars, I'm sure you can find the contact information for the appropriate people on each sanctioning body's website.

Jack Matyas · 10-22-2007, 04:31 PM

Stockracer----I'm one of "those" over 55 guys who likes to go fast---and I really don't like your tone !!!!!!!

PS--At least I'm not ashamed to sign my real name .

stockracer · 10-22-2007, 05:27 PM

Just find 9 more of your buddies, and youve got your committie! My point is racing changes as the people who participate within it change!

Michael Beard · 10-22-2007, 07:30 PM

How old is Billy now?

Actually, I think the Cobalt might be the new "killer app". I raced my girlfriend's Cobalt at the first Rockingham bracket points race this year, and I believe that just getting it down to minimum weight, dumping the airbox and exhaust, and throwing some 6x20 M/T's on the front, it'd be well under the index! In IHRA, it fits FF/SA, 2970#, 16.30/9.95 index. Probably would be tougher to hit the 1/8th mile index, but I think Chip Johnson said his kid ran 16.40's with his Cobalt, bone stock. Sweeet.

Adger Smith · 10-22-2007, 09:16 PM

Hey, Stocker racer.. I'm one of those guys you called OLD...add me to the list.. I don't like being called OLD... I'll line up with anyone at any time. (except nap time) I think you need to show a little respect for your elders. Remember IF you live long enough you too can enjoy life in a way you don't/can't understand, until you reach a certain stage of maturity....

Charlie Ford · 10-22-2007, 09:25 PM

If my memory serves me right, (I'm one of those old guys) a racer was told to tear his rental car down several years ago. I don't remember what happened, but I don't think he raced.

Jack Matyas · 10-23-2007, 08:49 AM

Stockracer---I'm sure I could find many more than nine of my buddies to join my committee if needed--just remember- until most of the "Boomers" retire you're the minority...................

stockracer · 10-23-2007, 09:25 AM

Most of my friends at the track are "OLD" guys! Yall crack me up! But I did say that to be in this club you couldnt have won a race in the last 20 yrs!

10-22-2007, 03:09 PM	#21
jerrym Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 17 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Bill Holt's call !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Micheal I think we both know my car could make the index at each of those races...and did! Jeremy Mitchell

10-22-2007, 03:34 PM	#22
stockracer Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 79 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Bill Holt's call !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I never thought id agree with Beard but he makes a valid point, There are a ton of people who dont qual. under the index, but we all know they can run well under! Heres what we do...Lets hire 10 of the old guys, 55 and over, that havent won a race in 20yrs, and still think stock is all about as fast as you can go! We will let them make an invitation only stock eliminator, They can change the rules at will, and kick you out if you win to many events! SHUT UP! Who cares what they race, most people are for keeping the slow classes (as am I) and letting people with underfunded teams go racing! A rental car is A great way for some one to experience a Stock Elim. weekend with limited expense! Hell I encourage it, And fans love it! He with the most points wins the championship, simple! If you lost because a guy JUST SHOWED UP at an event, then he obviously did better through out the year, and must have had a race car at home! Deep staging is gone... Buttons are gone... Soon stockers will be eliminated in superstock.. Now were goin to have to choose who gets to race what...

10-22-2007, 03:50 PM	#23
Michael Beard VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,060 Likes: 0 Liked 13 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Bill Holt's call !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Right. So, if you knew in advance that the rules required you to run under the index, you would have. In the same instance, I'm sure Chris Jackson would have made arrangements to get his car to the track or borrow a car, accordingly. You both played within the rules. The outcome would have been the same, regardless. Would it have sucked if I were in your shoes? Sure - same as my Rockingham points example. Sucks that I didn't win two more rounds this year, too! Hindsight is 20/20, but again, people did take issue with the bonus points, and the rule has since been changed. If you'd like to recommend the DQ for non-index-running cars, I'm sure you can find the contact information for the appropriate people on each sanctioning body's website. __________________ Michael Beard - NHRA/IHRA 3216 S/SS

10-22-2007, 04:31 PM	#24
Jack Matyas Live Reporter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Bethlehem , PA -Christmas City , USA Posts: 4,879 Likes: 357 Liked 1,807 Times in 364 Posts	Re: Bill Holt's call !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stockracer----I'm one of "those" over 55 guys who likes to go fast---and I really don't like your tone !!!!!!! PS--At least I'm not ashamed to sign my real name . __________________ Jack Matyas 1547 FS/C 2015 Camaro COPO # 62- 2012 Camaro Convertible COPO

10-22-2007, 05:27 PM	#25
stockracer Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 79 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Bill Holt's call !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just find 9 more of your buddies, and youve got your committie! My point is racing changes as the people who participate within it change!

10-22-2007, 07:30 PM	#26
Michael Beard VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,060 Likes: 0 Liked 13 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Bill Holt's call !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How old is Billy now? Actually, I think the Cobalt might be the new "killer app". I raced my girlfriend's Cobalt at the first Rockingham bracket points race this year, and I believe that just getting it down to minimum weight, dumping the airbox and exhaust, and throwing some 6x20 M/T's on the front, it'd be well under the index! In IHRA, it fits FF/SA, 2970#, 16.30/9.95 index. Probably would be tougher to hit the 1/8th mile index, but I think Chip Johnson said his kid ran 16.40's with his Cobalt, bone stock. Sweeet. __________________ Michael Beard - NHRA/IHRA 3216 S/SS

10-22-2007, 09:16 PM	#27
Adger Smith VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Texarkana Ark/TX Posts: 2,414 Likes: 514 Liked 750 Times in 289 Posts	Re: Bill Holt's call !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hey, Stocker racer.. I'm one of those guys you called OLD...add me to the list.. I don't like being called OLD... I'll line up with anyone at any time. (except nap time) I think you need to show a little respect for your elders. Remember IF you live long enough you too can enjoy life in a way you don't/can't understand, until you reach a certain stage of maturity.... __________________ Adger Smith (Former SS)

10-22-2007, 09:25 PM	#28
Charlie Ford Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Spring, Texas Posts: 169 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Bill Holt's call !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If my memory serves me right, (I'm one of those old guys) a racer was told to tear his rental car down several years ago. I don't remember what happened, but I don't think he raced. __________________ Charlie Ford 4729 STK

10-23-2007, 08:49 AM	#29
Jack Matyas Live Reporter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Bethlehem , PA -Christmas City , USA Posts: 4,879 Likes: 357 Liked 1,807 Times in 364 Posts	Re: Bill Holt's call !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stockracer---I'm sure I could find many more than nine of my buddies to join my committee if needed--just remember- until most of the "Boomers" retire you're the minority................... __________________ Jack Matyas 1547 FS/C 2015 Camaro COPO # 62- 2012 Camaro Convertible COPO

10-23-2007, 09:25 AM	#30
stockracer Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 79 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Bill Holt's call !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Most of my friends at the track are "OLD" guys! Yall crack me up! But I did say that to be in this club you couldnt have won a race in the last 20 yrs!