DLC coated lifters - Page 2

Larry Hill · 12-30-2022, 11:02 AM

I don’t remember how much but it was way cheaper than a crank, pistons, rings, cam, block, lifters, oil pump, and Band-Aid’s. Those shards of metal go right through those blue gloves.

SSDiv6 · 12-30-2022, 12:26 PM

https://www.armorlube.com/

https://www.ionbond.com/technology/d...iAAEgJQQvD_BwE

ProfessorRock · 01-01-2023, 01:36 PM

So i guess you racers were not told by your eng.builder what they paid for coated lifters.
i looked on trends price sheet, they were getting $1408 before the shortages and now i am told close to $2000, but since other people are posting company websites i will post my suggestion too ,might even be better than dlc -- go to forcealtered.com

SSDiv6 · 01-01-2023, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ProfessorRock

So i guess you racers were not told by your eng.builder what they paid for coated lifters.
i looked on trends price sheet, they were getting $1408 before the shortages and now i am told close to $2000, but since other people are posting company websites i will post my suggestion too ,might even be better than dlc -- go to forcealtered.com

To make a claim that it might be better than DLC, please present objective evidence for the claim such as test results. DLC has been used and tested for decades in both the aerospace and racing industry.

jcw31 · 01-03-2023, 11:50 AM

Tell us a little about them . Do they have to rotate? Can they be used on multiple cams ? Do they have to be refaced ? Im talking the johnsons not the tool steel.

Mike Gray · 01-03-2023, 05:35 PM

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Yo Ken · 01-03-2023, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Gray

This tread topic appears to be an add, the poster looks to be associated with the products in his suggestion. Same logos on the web site as his avatar.

ProfessorRock has permission to post there services.

novassdude · 01-04-2023, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Yo Ken

ProfessorRock has permission to post there services.

That's great but if they have a product to sell why not just come out and tell every one up front rather than the 20 questions approach.
I personally am much more likely to do business with a company that is up front about every thing.

Alan Roehrich · 01-04-2023, 09:24 PM

I only sell or use DLC when I'm also selling or using a steel cam. Most guys in Stock seem to still be using cast core camshafts, and that means no DLC.

I'm going to have to see some serious data from reliable known sources before using anything different. I don't even like DLC, any more than I like Shubeck style lifters. But DLC is "the devil I know".

ProfessorRock · 01-11-2023, 09:51 PM

Apologies for the late response. I have been sick with COVID.

My goal here is merely to help shed some light on what we have all been discussing for some time now- the choices of lifters and steel cams and how it has affected the class and even the reliability of some vital engine components.

First let me clarify my DLC Comments. I said “this may be better than DLC”. I am not arguing that DLC has been used or even may be useful in certain scenarios.
Let me explain the difference in the two products and some of my background to help bring some clarity. I can tell you these facts:

-is extremely slick-is slicker than moly and dlc
-is itself a lubricant that bonds in a thin layer .5 to 1 micron with the surface by chemically interacting on a molecular level with the substrate.

We use a proprietary technology called “Force Altered” under license from Force Altered Technologies, Inc.
DLC is indeed very hard, but it is not extremely slick. The main drawback to DLC (aside from the ridiculous cost) is if you should experience the lifter bouncing off the cam (it can and does happen) the DLC will shatter and proliferate throughout your entire engine and cause a very expensive rebuild.

The coating I am offering simply does not do this. We use a completely different process and the coating is not dipped, or uses a PDV process.. It actually bonds to the base material on a molecular level creating and new surface entirely.

Is it proven? Yes. I have record holders using it and even the US Nationals winner. We haven’t even discussed piston rings yet.

If you honestly want to know more I am happy to talk to anyone on the phone to discuss. This is just not the place to play 20 questions. I sincerely want to help and that was my reason for posting in the first place.

Coated Lifters Pic.

12-30-2022, 11:02 AM	#11
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,322 Likes: 1,677 Liked 9,583 Times in 1,991 Posts	Re: DLC coated lifters I don’t remember how much but it was way cheaper than a crank, pistons, rings, cam, block, lifters, oil pump, and Band-Aid’s. Those shards of metal go right through those blue gloves. __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817

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SSDiv6 VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Glendale, Arizona Posts: 2,996 Likes: 693 Liked 1,465 Times in 547 Posts	Re: DLC coated lifters https://www.armorlube.com/ https://www.ionbond.com/technology/d...iAAEgJQQvD_BwE

01-01-2023, 01:36 PM	#13
ProfessorRock Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2022 Location: Orlando,Fl area. +Ohio Posts: 51 Likes: 9 Liked 16 Times in 12 Posts	Re: DLC coated lifters So i guess you racers were not told by your eng.builder what they paid for coated lifters. i looked on trends price sheet, they were getting $1408 before the shortages and now i am told close to $2000, but since other people are posting company websites i will post my suggestion too ,might even be better than dlc -- go to forcealtered.com __________________ Rocketmancoatings

01-03-2023, 11:50 AM	#15
jcw31 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 87 Likes: 0 Liked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Re: DLC coated lifters Tell us a little about them . Do they have to rotate? Can they be used on multiple cams ? Do they have to be refaced ? Im talking the johnsons not the tool steel.

01-03-2023, 05:35 PM	#16
Mike Gray Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 527 Likes: 233 Liked 525 Times in 138 Posts	Re: DLC coated lifters . . . Last edited by Mike Gray; 01-04-2023 at 10:13 PM.

01-04-2023, 09:24 PM	#19
Alan Roehrich VIP Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Posts: 4,950 Likes: 1,044 Liked 1,124 Times in 296 Posts	Re: DLC coated lifters I only sell or use DLC when I'm also selling or using a steel cam. Most guys in Stock seem to still be using cast core camshafts, and that means no DLC. I'm going to have to see some serious data from reliable known sources before using anything different. I don't even like DLC, any more than I like Shubeck style lifters. But DLC is "the devil I know". __________________ Alan Roehrich 212A G/S

01-11-2023, 09:51 PM	#20
ProfessorRock Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2022 Location: Orlando,Fl area. +Ohio Posts: 51 Likes: 9 Liked 16 Times in 12 Posts	Re: DLC coated lifters Apologies for the late response. I have been sick with COVID. My goal here is merely to help shed some light on what we have all been discussing for some time now- the choices of lifters and steel cams and how it has affected the class and even the reliability of some vital engine components. First let me clarify my DLC Comments. I said “this may be better than DLC”. I am not arguing that DLC has been used or even may be useful in certain scenarios. Let me explain the difference in the two products and some of my background to help bring some clarity. I can tell you these facts: -is extremely slick-is slicker than moly and dlc -is itself a lubricant that bonds in a thin layer .5 to 1 micron with the surface by chemically interacting on a molecular level with the substrate. We use a proprietary technology called “Force Altered” under license from Force Altered Technologies, Inc. DLC is indeed very hard, but it is not extremely slick. The main drawback to DLC (aside from the ridiculous cost) is if you should experience the lifter bouncing off the cam (it can and does happen) the DLC will shatter and proliferate throughout your entire engine and cause a very expensive rebuild. The coating I am offering simply does not do this. We use a completely different process and the coating is not dipped, or uses a PDV process.. It actually bonds to the base material on a molecular level creating and new surface entirely. Is it proven? Yes. I have record holders using it and even the US Nationals winner. We haven’t even discussed piston rings yet. If you honestly want to know more I am happy to talk to anyone on the phone to discuss. This is just not the place to play 20 questions. I sincerely want to help and that was my reason for posting in the first place. Coated Lifters Pic. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Rocketmancoatings