Bill Holt's call !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - Page 2

Chad Rhodes · 10-22-2007, 12:10 AM

that wasn't the only screwed up call this weekend. Did you know it is apparently legal to go to your trailer for 5 minutes before reporting to the scales after winning a round, WHO KNEW?

JRyan · 10-22-2007, 01:14 AM

I don't know who it was, but i've seen it in the past and I like to cal it the "Depends on who you are" rule. Of course that even makes things more frustrating.

Jerry

dean ribeiro · 10-22-2007, 06:55 AM

Greg:
I believe that you should be able to figure out my comment?
my comment was more about Jeremy's comment about how he lost the championship. I have seen rental cars run the index w/ very little modifications. I agree that messing w/ the ladder and not running is unfortunate and should be prevented. It needs to be prevented in the rule book first!

I still think they should ban all Fords! LOL

jerrym · 10-22-2007, 08:20 AM

Dean you dont see it as a problem when a guy who is fighting for a championship can go rent a car that is 2 seconds ABOVE the index and enter to gain the bonus points (which imo are stupid anyway) and then not have to pass fuel check? Maybe if you were in the same position as me you would.
Jeremy Mitchell

Larry Hill · 10-22-2007, 08:40 AM

Acording to the book he made the right call. Larry

dean ribeiro · 10-22-2007, 10:25 AM

Jeremy:
I think a lot of things are stupid. However, Mr Jackson (who I do not personally know) operated within the rulebook. There are quite a few things that just don't make sense to me, but the rules are published in advance and we all have a choice of whether to race or not. I just do not feel that it is the person who follows and abides by the rules, fault? For years, racers have been pouring through NHRA's classification books searching for under rated engine and car combos. I can't blame them for being smart about building a combination.

Once again, i think the rule is bull****, but not the action which was taken.

You are correct about not being in your position, but that is not the point is it?

junior barns · 10-22-2007, 10:29 AM

I dont understand. does all races that you attend count toward your pt total or just your best 5 that you attend. Thats the way it use to be. I cant imagine someone chasing the pts title would not already have enough races under their belt to need to do this anyway! As far as by passing the scale this can be an innocent mistake as this happened to me me a few years back. the person at the scale waved me by. I had to return and pass wt which I did like all of my previous runs. from that pt on I always go to scale and way!

junior barns · 10-22-2007, 10:29 AM

I dont understand. does all races that you attend count toward your pt total or just your best 5 that you attend. Thats the way it use to be. I cant imagine someone chasing the pts title would not already have enough races under their belt to need to do this anyway! As far as by passing the scale this can be an innocent mistake as this happened to me me a few years back. the person at the scale waved me by. I had to return and pass wt which I did like all of my previous runs. from that pt on I always go to scale and way!

jerrym · 10-22-2007, 12:35 PM

Dean I never said he operated outside the rule book....I just think that the rule needs changed...Im not trying to argue,just voice my opinion . I think any car that cant run under the index should be dq'd and not placed on the ladder.AGAIN this is just my opinion. Maybe i should have protested the car and had them pull a head or piston,and then call their rental company so they could come see it in pieces

Jeremy Mitchell

Michael Beard · 10-22-2007, 01:19 PM

>> I think any car that cant run under the index should be dq'd and not placed on the ladder.

So, you wouldn't have gotten any points at the national events at Milan and Norwalk that year, either, and would have actually finished lower in the standings.

Last year at Rockingham, I finished 3rd in Footbrake. I beat both the guys that finished ahead of me. I found out after the season was over that the track awards points after buybacks! I didn't buy back all year. I was like, "So, do I just give you $50 now and you say I won the championship?" Was I mad? Yep. They're not going to change the rules, so this year, as much as I hate it, when I had to, I bought back. I won the championship.

It is what it is. If you want them to make a change, you need to talk to the powers that be. Racers' voices were heard this year, and they did do away with the bonus points for 6 nationals.

10-22-2007, 12:10 AM	#11
Chad Rhodes VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Where the Green Grass Grows, AL Posts: 2,375 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Bill Holt's call !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that wasn't the only screwed up call this weekend. Did you know it is apparently legal to go to your trailer for 5 minutes before reporting to the scales after winning a round, WHO KNEW? __________________ Chad Rhodes 2113 I/SA

10-22-2007, 01:14 AM	#12
JRyan Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aberdeen SD Posts: 645 Likes: 30 Liked 112 Times in 31 Posts	Re: Bill Holt's call !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't know who it was, but i've seen it in the past and I like to cal it the "Depends on who you are" rule. Of course that even makes things more frustrating. Jerry

10-22-2007, 06:55 AM	#13
dean ribeiro Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: candia, nh Posts: 518 Likes: 58 Liked 235 Times in 75 Posts	Re: Bill Holt's call !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Greg: I believe that you should be able to figure out my comment? my comment was more about Jeremy's comment about how he lost the championship. I have seen rental cars run the index w/ very little modifications. I agree that messing w/ the ladder and not running is unfortunate and should be prevented. It needs to be prevented in the rule book first! I still think they should ban all Fords! LOL

10-22-2007, 08:20 AM	#14
jerrym Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 17 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Bill Holt's call !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dean you dont see it as a problem when a guy who is fighting for a championship can go rent a car that is 2 seconds ABOVE the index and enter to gain the bonus points (which imo are stupid anyway) and then not have to pass fuel check? Maybe if you were in the same position as me you would. Jeremy Mitchell Last edited by jerrym; 10-22-2007 at 08:53 AM.

10-22-2007, 08:40 AM	#15
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,642 Likes: 1,940 Liked 10,720 Times in 2,232 Posts	Re: Bill Holt's call !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Acording to the book he made the right call. Larry __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817 Last edited by Larry Hill; 10-22-2007 at 09:01 AM.

10-22-2007, 10:25 AM	#16
dean ribeiro Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: candia, nh Posts: 518 Likes: 58 Liked 235 Times in 75 Posts	Re: Bill Holt's call !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jeremy: I think a lot of things are stupid. However, Mr Jackson (who I do not personally know) operated within the rulebook. There are quite a few things that just don't make sense to me, but the rules are published in advance and we all have a choice of whether to race or not. I just do not feel that it is the person who follows and abides by the rules, fault? For years, racers have been pouring through NHRA's classification books searching for under rated engine and car combos. I can't blame them for being smart about building a combination. Once again, i think the rule is bull****, but not the action which was taken. You are correct about not being in your position, but that is not the point is it?

10-22-2007, 10:29 AM	#17
junior barns Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 541 Likes: 11 Liked 20 Times in 14 Posts	Re: Bill Holt's call !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I dont understand. does all races that you attend count toward your pt total or just your best 5 that you attend. Thats the way it use to be. I cant imagine someone chasing the pts title would not already have enough races under their belt to need to do this anyway! As far as by passing the scale this can be an innocent mistake as this happened to me me a few years back. the person at the scale waved me by. I had to return and pass wt which I did like all of my previous runs. from that pt on I always go to scale and way!

10-22-2007, 12:35 PM	#19
jerrym Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 17 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Bill Holt's call !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dean I never said he operated outside the rule book....I just think that the rule needs changed...Im not trying to argue,just voice my opinion . I think any car that cant run under the index should be dq'd and not placed on the ladder.AGAIN this is just my opinion. Maybe i should have protested the car and had them pull a head or piston,and then call their rental company so they could come see it in pieces Jeremy Mitchell

10-22-2007, 01:19 PM	#20
Michael Beard VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,060 Likes: 0 Liked 13 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Bill Holt's call !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> I think any car that cant run under the index should be dq'd and not placed on the ladder. So, you wouldn't have gotten any points at the national events at Milan and Norwalk that year, either, and would have actually finished lower in the standings. Last year at Rockingham, I finished 3rd in Footbrake. I beat both the guys that finished ahead of me. I found out after the season was over that the track awards points after buybacks! I didn't buy back all year. I was like, "So, do I just give you $50 now and you say I won the championship?" Was I mad? Yep. They're not going to change the rules, so this year, as much as I hate it, when I had to, I bought back. I won the championship. It is what it is. If you want them to make a change, you need to talk to the powers that be. Racers' voices were heard this year, and they did do away with the bonus points for 6 nationals. __________________ Michael Beard - NHRA/IHRA 3216 S/SS