If you read National Dragster, this is interesting S/SS!

[Bryan Worner]

I'm well aware of the block not having to be same year, but the article says "motor,"not block!

Hey Jeff, just curious, what is the horsepower in Super Stock on the 12+ year old 360 combination? What are the differences in the "Old" engine and the 09 version?

[Mickey Whaley]

alot of rust

[Jeff Teuton]

With everything new in the DP spec motor, we got it up to 600. I think the new pistons helped a bunch. I think the TS version in it's day was about 615 circa 2005 or 2006. Funny story. The cam we took out was too rusty to use again, so we got a new one. Mickey must have been looking. Originally when we did the conversion in 2009 to get to Indy was about 580. We think loosing the compression was a bigger loss than the smaller runners. Of course sitting up for a few years wasn't real good.

[Bryan Worner]

Lol. I'll rephrase my question. What are the NHRA horsepower ratings of the two "different" combinations? I'm assuming the older 360 was a carb combo?

And I'm sure the hp it makes is more like 750-800 range!

[joespanova]

Originally Posted by Michael Beard

Top Stock quickly evolved away from its original intent, and eventually went away. With everything that's allowed in Stock today, calling IHRA rules (particularly those for a specialty shootout class that doesn't even exist anymore) "liberal" is a little disingenuous.

If you haven't noticed, there are NHRA Stockers running 8.50's.

If you think you can just crank up the boost on the blown cars to run an 8.50 you're kidding yourself and I've been around long enough to see how "untransparent" the rules are. Stock , running an 8.50 , yeah right.
And NO , I don't follow stock.
I don't really think the word "disingenuous" applies by its definition........perhaps you were looking for a noun like sarcasm.
BTW , the new Mustangs , Camaros and Challengers may impress you but they do nothing for me..........regardless of how or WHAT they do to interpret the rules to run what they do. Come back and cuss me , slam me , insult me all you want.....it falls on deaf ears.

[Michael Beard]

Originally Posted by joespanova

If you ran a 9.52 in ANYTHING stock , I'd love to see those incredibly "liberal" IHRA rules.

Originally Posted by joespanova

If you think you can just crank up the boost on the blown cars to run an 8.50 you're kidding yourself and I've been around long enough to see how "untransparent" the rules are. Stock , running an 8.50 , yeah right.
And NO , I don't follow stock.
I don't really think the word "disingenuous" applies by its definition........perhaps you were looking for a noun like sarcasm.
BTW , the new Mustangs , Camaros and Challengers may impress you but they do nothing for me..........regardless of how or WHAT they do to interpret the rules to run what they do. Come back and cuss me , slam me , insult me all you want.....it falls on deaf ears.

What are you even talking about?

[Gary Smith]

Originally Posted by joespanova

If you ran a 9.52 in ANYTHING stock , I'd love to see those incredibly "liberal" IHRA rules.

Simple. It's like NHRA rules, only they apply to everyone, in every division, no exceptions. And, Top Stock was simply A, B, C, and crate cars without the extra luggage and could run 9.5 anything.

And, am I right in thinking the block casting number still needs to be on the approval list??? After all, I could build a 289 with a Boss 302 block and visually it passes.

[Jeff Teuton]

If you are talking about the 360 DP motor, there are none to my knowledge at 700. Get out the trusty Moroso slide rule. That thing still works better than most. I don't think there is a stock Gen III Hemi up there except maybe the 426 Shoot Out motor. You smokin that stuff again? I warned you about that.

[Steve Williams]

Originally Posted by Michael Beard

What are you even talking about?

Michael, I think he doesn't believe that any of the new cars are capable of running 8.50's. Having witnessed a stocker run 8.60's testing in so-so air and decent track, I know that atleast one is capable of running 8.50's. If one can do it, then the others are not far behind. He doesn't follow stock by his own admission, so he would have zero knowledge of what kind of power they make or what kinds of legal weight runs have ever been made. I can't speak about the Dodge', but I know a Ford that can do it. BTW, nice job at BG (5 large doesn't hurt much).

[joespanova]

Originally Posted by Steve Williams

Michael, I think he doesn't believe that any of the new cars are capable of running 8.50's.

Oh , its not that I don't believe it , I'm sure the rules have been "bent" to achieve WHATEVER they are running...........but in the spirit of "stock" you can bet your fannys they are far removed from stock. Apparently the "rules" of stock have been biased for the NEW cars performance to escalate to levels totally unobtainable with a super tune and cam change..............like stock USED to be with traditional muscle cars that were doing well to run in the 11's let alone 10s. Now they have blowers and lots and lots of spaces between the lines to build contemporary engines with.
I mean crap , the Hemi cars in Super Stock are competitive with low 8's, now you want me to believe an 8.50 stocker is truely STOCK or some close fascimile to stock? LMAO