Factory Showdown at INDY - Page 2

boster · 06-22-2012, 10:41 PM

I dont think 2 valve motors will ever out run a 4 valve motors , but it's a lot closer then you think . I agree the fastest car does not always win

Dick Butler · 06-22-2012, 11:05 PM

good luck trying to get a reasonable balance of HP factors for the brands. Probably wont satisfy everyone just as the old Top Stock IHRA classes. A CiC deal in the racing would help...and apply it to the next race to start at a better factor system in the future.

boster · 06-24-2012, 10:16 PM

Dick you might be right or they could just go to a index race of say 6.0 and they would have a full field .

Jeff Teuton · 06-24-2012, 11:09 PM

My 2 cents. For a competitive class, the base must be the v8 natural cars which can get to about 3250 lbs, but what you have is 427 Fords and Chev, and 392 biggest Mopar and I don't think any can get to 3000 lbs. There have been no concessions on the v8 cars to date. Forget that the 392 is 10.5 and the 427's are 12.5 and 14.5 respecively. The 512 Mopar and the blown Fords and Chevys at a 200 lb advantage to the Mopar might work, except the Fords and Chevys both have a 3 speed trans and the Mopar has a 2 speed. The reasoning is that the Mopar never made any. Funny thing, the 50 or so Chevys all got 2 speeds, but some paperwork says they offer a 3 speed. Not to mention the 9.70 index. This is still part of Stock Eliminator so if it takes .65 under to get in, those cars got to run 9.05 to get in. So it obviously isn't for the folks that want to run for the Big Show. I guess that was about .50 cents worth, so Bo you started this so you owe me the .48 cents.

Andys dad · 06-24-2012, 11:18 PM

While we would like to participate - I think given normal Indy conditions a 9.40 ET would be a respectable run for us

That would be only .30 under the 9.70 index and will not make the field

The 9.70 is the same as AAA/SA index

We just ran at Bakersfield a few weeks ago and ran a best of 9.39 - with us as light as we can get (3525) - I was told by an expert (Phil Mandella) that is what we will run at INDY

Given the weight breaks - 10.20 would be way more realistic - only a couple of the CJs might be able to run a second under - none of the V10s - and none of the V8s

No sense going if we can not make the show

Ron

BlueOval Ralph · 06-25-2012, 08:49 AM

GM never offered any Trans but a PG several people I know ask for manuals and were told No, if you want something different you will have to convert it yourself after you get the car.

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Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton

My 2 cents. For a competitive class, the base must be the v8 natural cars which can get to about 3250 lbs, but what you have is 427 Fords and Chev, and 392 biggest Mopar and I don't think any can get to 3000 lbs. There have been no concessions on the v8 cars to date. Forget that the 392 is 10.5 and the 427's are 12.5 and 14.5 respecively. The 512 Mopar and the blown Fords and Chevys at a 200 lb advantage to the Mopar might work, except the Fords and Chevys both have a 3 speed trans and the Mopar has a 2 speed. The reasoning is that the Mopar never made any. Funny thing, the 50 or so Chevys all got 2 speeds, but some paperwork says they offer a 3 speed. Not to mention the 9.70 index. This is still part of Stock Eliminator so if it takes .65 under to get in, those cars got to run 9.05 to get in. So it obviously isn't for the folks that want to run for the Big Show. I guess that was about .50 cents worth, so Bo you started this so you owe me the .48 cents.

cambria · 06-25-2012, 01:53 PM

Jeff why don't you and Bo figure out some way we can run heads up with the big blower cars.I am waiting on my COPO should be any time i have the #3 car.Miss all those heads up races Over at the old Top Stock Class.It got a lot of attention and could get more especially now that All three Factories are in the race game again.If anyone can pull it off you can.

Jeff Teuton · 06-25-2012, 02:52 PM

Paul, you got a SS car and I don't know what the plans are for those. Some of those CJ cars really fly like Hopkins. Should be fun once the bugs are out of the Copo's. We keep hearing about a 6.2 blown motor for Mopar, so maybe.

boster · 06-25-2012, 10:19 PM

Jeff , I will pay you .48 cents then then some if you take beer in trade . Paul and Jeff kick in 10k each and i will kick in 10K , find some great tracks and let match race . Same cubic inch , spec blower , same TB and all 3spd and let race . I will bet a bunch of guys jump in 4 races , $7500 to the winner . I'm in How about it , MIR , The ROC , Bradenton and Milian Michigan . Book Dates for July ,August and Sept . Quit cryin and get out some of that moldy cash you two got tucked away and let race . Only if you two are up to the challenge of course !!!

Paul , hows that for coming up with something ?

NewHemi · 06-25-2012, 11:58 PM

Jerry had it right. The Mega Maniac ran the 9.83 with a 5.7

My Drag Pak is one of the lightest ever built. Drooze and I did everything we could to get it there. And we have always had a few more that we could drop if the reason presented itself.

But even so, we can probably only get to just under 3200 with driver. And frankly, that isn't enough to give us what we need to beat the hair dryers.

So there is no chance that I will ever run it the ADRL.

David
The New Hemi Guy

06-22-2012, 10:41 PM	#11
boster Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: usa Posts: 958 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Factory Showdown at INDY I dont think 2 valve motors will ever out run a 4 valve motors , but it's a lot closer then you think . I agree the fastest car does not always win __________________ Bo Kenney

06-22-2012, 11:05 PM	#12
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Factory Showdown at INDY good luck trying to get a reasonable balance of HP factors for the brands. Probably wont satisfy everyone just as the old Top Stock IHRA classes. A CiC deal in the racing would help...and apply it to the next race to start at a better factor system in the future.

06-24-2012, 10:16 PM	#13
boster Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: usa Posts: 958 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Factory Showdown at INDY Dick you might be right or they could just go to a index race of say 6.0 and they would have a full field . __________________ Bo Kenney

06-24-2012, 11:09 PM	#14
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: Factory Showdown at INDY My 2 cents. For a competitive class, the base must be the v8 natural cars which can get to about 3250 lbs, but what you have is 427 Fords and Chev, and 392 biggest Mopar and I don't think any can get to 3000 lbs. There have been no concessions on the v8 cars to date. Forget that the 392 is 10.5 and the 427's are 12.5 and 14.5 respecively. The 512 Mopar and the blown Fords and Chevys at a 200 lb advantage to the Mopar might work, except the Fords and Chevys both have a 3 speed trans and the Mopar has a 2 speed. The reasoning is that the Mopar never made any. Funny thing, the 50 or so Chevys all got 2 speeds, but some paperwork says they offer a 3 speed. Not to mention the 9.70 index. This is still part of Stock Eliminator so if it takes .65 under to get in, those cars got to run 9.05 to get in. So it obviously isn't for the folks that want to run for the Big Show. I guess that was about .50 cents worth, so Bo you started this so you owe me the .48 cents. __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK

06-24-2012, 11:18 PM	#15
Andys dad VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Arcadia, Ca Posts: 1,571 Likes: 48 Liked 175 Times in 78 Posts	Re: Factory Showdown at INDY While we would like to participate - I think given normal Indy conditions a 9.40 ET would be a respectable run for us That would be only .30 under the 9.70 index and will not make the field The 9.70 is the same as AAA/SA index We just ran at Bakersfield a few weeks ago and ran a best of 9.39 - with us as light as we can get (3525) - I was told by an expert (Phil Mandella) that is what we will run at INDY Given the weight breaks - 10.20 would be way more realistic - only a couple of the CJs might be able to run a second under - none of the V10s - and none of the V8s No sense going if we can not make the show Ron __________________ time is our most precious resource, you can always make more money but you can never make more time spend your time wisely with the ones you love - Ron Durham

06-25-2012, 01:53 PM	#17
cambria Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Buffalo Posts: 235 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Factory Showdown at INDY Jeff why don't you and Bo figure out some way we can run heads up with the big blower cars.I am waiting on my COPO should be any time i have the #3 car.Miss all those heads up races Over at the old Top Stock Class.It got a lot of attention and could get more especially now that All three Factories are in the race game again.If anyone can pull it off you can. __________________ BS/A,A/FIA 00 Camaro- CS/A, B/FIA 94 Camaro .2012 copo 4.0

06-25-2012, 02:52 PM	#18
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: Factory Showdown at INDY Paul, you got a SS car and I don't know what the plans are for those. Some of those CJ cars really fly like Hopkins. Should be fun once the bugs are out of the Copo's. We keep hearing about a 6.2 blown motor for Mopar, so maybe. __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK

06-25-2012, 10:19 PM	#19
boster Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: usa Posts: 958 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Factory Showdown at INDY Jeff , I will pay you .48 cents then then some if you take beer in trade . Paul and Jeff kick in 10k each and i will kick in 10K , find some great tracks and let match race . Same cubic inch , spec blower , same TB and all 3spd and let race . I will bet a bunch of guys jump in 4 races , $7500 to the winner . I'm in How about it , MIR , The ROC , Bradenton and Milian Michigan . Book Dates for July ,August and Sept . Quit cryin and get out some of that moldy cash you two got tucked away and let race . Only if you two are up to the challenge of course !!! Paul , hows that for coming up with something ? __________________ Bo Kenney

06-25-2012, 11:58 PM	#20
NewHemi Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 472 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Factory Showdown at INDY Jerry had it right. The Mega Maniac ran the 9.83 with a 5.7 My Drag Pak is one of the lightest ever built. Drooze and I did everything we could to get it there. And we have always had a few more that we could drop if the reason presented itself. But even so, we can probably only get to just under 3200 with driver. And frankly, that isn't enough to give us what we need to beat the hair dryers. So there is no chance that I will ever run it the ADRL. David The New Hemi Guy