Ihra tucson!

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by Michael Beard

Only a handful of racers supported Div. 5 in its most recent incarnation. No racers, no Division.

Thanks Michael, and one more thing to Dean, Scribner is no Tucson. Not only are there more sportsman racers in the town, but there's even more racers within 150 miles of Tucson's track...it's worth a try, and I just became a new IHRA member.

While at the meeting a fellow racer told me that he saw Alan Reinhart (NHRA announcer)in attendance at SIR's meeting, and someone else thought he did too? Since where I sat I didn't get to easily see all who were there I can't say, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least that someone on behalf of NHRA was there last night just to hear the tone of the meeting. It now makes me wish I told the audience about the enhanced costs these last 4yrs that we've been graced with vs the loss of more and more contingency postings/companies....interesting huh???

[Dean Feiock]

Originally Posted by GarysZ24

Thanks Michael, and one more thing to Dean, Scribner is no Tucson. Not only are there more sportsman racers in the town, but there's even more racers within 150 miles of Tucson's track...it's worth a try, and I just became a new IHRA member.

While at the meeting a fellow racer told me that he saw Alan Reinhart (NHRA announcer)in attendance at SIR's meeting, and someone else thought he did too? Since where I sat I didn't get to easily see all who were there I can't say, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least that someone on behalf of NHRA was there last night just to hear the tone of the meeting. It now makes me wish I told the audience about the enhanced costs these last 4yrs that we've been graced with vs the loss of more and more contingency postings/companies....interesting huh???

Gary,
1)This has nothing to do with Scribner and I do not know why you said that.

2)I asked three questions in my previous post. Why won't you answer them?

3)I never said I was for or against IHRA. What I was trying to point out is the fact that you are confusing supporting IHRA with supporting the S/SS combo. They are two different things.

4)We have S/SS combo's at Marion (an IHRA track) and at Oahe (an NHRA track). I attend both races. However, I do not have to pledge allegiance to one and bad mouth the other. I simply race where I want to.


And Gary, if you are really that against NHRA, why do you still include them in your signature??

[Dean Feiock]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Can't complain about them dropping it if you didn't support it.

Just so you know Ed, I was in Phoenix for 4.5 years. I recently moved back to the SD. And IHRA recently dropped Div 5.

So, yes Ed you are correct, I personally have not supported IHRA Div 5 in the past 5 years. It would have been very hard to support IHRA Div 5 while living in Phoenix.

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by Dean Feiock

Just to make sure everyone is clear on your proposed race:
1)Your planned race is a TRACK sponsored event-not an IHRA event?
2)Your Stock/Superstock Combo will most likely not have weight/fuel checks?
3)If it's just a TRACK sponsored race, you most likely do not need to join IHRA?

Just trying to get all the facts. There has been a great calling by some to support IHRA. But that is very hard to commit to when IHRA has COMPLETELY dropped Div 5 from it's schedule!!!!!!!

Ok Dean, you want answers I'll give you answers (as best I know of them).

1. Originally it was a TRACK sponsored event (along the lines of Super Chevy Show, etc.). However, since the promoting company also owns the IHRA, that's a foul to NHRA, per Glendora.

2. I'm certain that since it's not an official IHRA race, that there won't be any weight/fuel checks...much like Bandimere's Super Series races.

3. From other racers who've dove into this POSSIBLE combo race as well (there won't be one if Bernie doesn't get the required 24 + car counts pre-committed), you won't need to join IHRA to partake in this event.

There...you wanted answers, you have answers.

Oh and as for your other post, here's answers to them:

1. I spoke of Scribner Raceway because another racer that lives here and used to live near there had a sour spot in his mindset because of how IHRA's involvement was with their track, and I felt that since you aren't outragiously far from Scribner, you shared the mindset with that other racer.

2. I just answered them!

3. I wasn't confusing anyone else with the admission of IHRA & the combo race...they may be two different things, however since Nitro Jam is promoting this race, and Nitro Jam is owned by the same company that owns IHRA, the support of the combo race could influence IHRA's desire even more to be the sanctioning body of SIR. Moreover, I'm sure that if the racers vote IHRA into SIR, then the indexes they use will be IHRA's, and not NHRA's...thus a significant similarity (like .30 worth added to all who compete's indexes).

4. Per answer #3 above, you may not have to pledge an allegiance to either sanctioning body to race in their combo races, but you must know that the indexes are .30 seconds different due to the sanctioning bodies involved. When I read of the salaries that the big-wigs with NHRA are getting, and I see a continued increase in the cost of membership, competition needs, and entry fees, sorry but I'm not going to just take it and ask for more, of the screw job they've been giving those of us who don't have the luxury of finances to keep up with their increased charges, as opposed to those alcoholic and nitro blasted racers who get into races for FREE!!! You, Dean (of all people), should understand that, given your racing budget is closer to my level than it is to those fortunate enough to have cash sponsorships. Where you live now you have an option of racing two different sanctioning bodies (or are closer to other div.'s, even though your area lost its IHRA D5 involvement), and that's what I hope happens out here (starting with S.I.R.). Competition is good, and that's what NHRA hasn't had out west since the AHRA days of old...perhaps thats part of the reason that divisional & national open entry fees are higher here than there where you are...you have to love the $40 savings you get on national open charges (plus the $10-15 savings on divisional races), in D5 as opposed to D7? I know I would!!!

Now as for that last question you offered, I have them in my signature because I'm a DRAG RACER, & I CHOOSE TO!!! For now they're the only attraction near me, but myself and every racer who competed at S.I.R. last year (hopefully), will fill out their vote slips (next wknds test n tune will be the end of the voting), and give IHRA a try. I've been in this sport long enough that I remember racing at Marion, Sd. when Thunder Valley Raceway was an NHRA track....they've been IHRA for several years now, are they regretting going IHRA? I doubt it, or they would've switched back!!! There's nothing wrong with having options (which we don't YET have here in the southwest). I'm sorry that IHRA dropped D5 from their series, but it's not like they had a large pool of racers living near their tracks to give them the support they needed, like we have here in Az. I will support (in some way) and love the NHRA, however I don't like how they've been screwing us sportsman racers in recent years (especially with the entry fee's charged for some divisions races as opposed to others, and especially the national opens), and you shouldn't either Dean!!!

[Jeff Foster]

You keep blaming the prices for Divisionals and national opens on NHRA, guess what they don't set the prices on those races. that is decided on by the tracks in the series.

[Toby Lang]

Jeff,

How much does a track have to pay the NHRA to be able to hold a divisional race? If I'm not mistaken, this fee has increased in the last 2 or 3 years, right?


-Toby

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by Toby Lang

Jeff,

How much does a track have to pay the NHRA to be able to hold a divisional race? If I'm not mistaken, this fee has increased in the last 2 or 3 years, right?


-Toby

Thanks Toby...

[SStockDart]

Geez Gary, quit stirring up stuff. You know how they confuse the two of us and they will be looking for me at the races.....Gary Hansen

[7820]

Total tab before opening the doors for a divisional...$27,500.00. Plus NHRA gets 10% of the gate. Plus the cars in T/S and T/D that qualify don't have to pay entry fees. Neat deal isn't it....for everyone but the race track.

[Jeff Foster]

Originally Posted by 7820

Total tab before opening the doors for a divisional...$27,500.00. Plus NHRA gets 10% of the gate. Plus the cars in T/S and T/D that qualify don't have to pay entry fees. Neat deal isn't it....for everyone but the race track.

Have no idea where you got those numbers. The sanction fee for a LODRS is a flat rate for the first XXX entries, then an additional amount per entry over that number. NHRA does not take any of the gate or any other percentages. And this is the same in all Divisions.
Tracks also have to pay the Insurance and the purse.
Yes TS and TD do pay entry fees, if they dont thats a track deal nothing else.
And in some divisions TAFC and TAD now pay entry fees.