Performance Based Stk/SS Racing - Page 2

Jeff Teuton · 11-28-2010, 11:23 AM

I really like the idea, but Thursday's are hard. Maybe if it was run every Thursday before a points race it would have a better chance of developing a following. I know on Thursday at every Cajun Sportsnationals has been a problem with anything other than a test-n-tune. If time could be found during the event would be the best, but that varies division to division.

K Stubbs · 11-28-2010, 12:42 PM

Fri night if there isnt a curfew

Dick Butler · 11-28-2010, 12:58 PM

I bet there are a few Mopars and Mustangs willing to help you put up your money to watch their performance. Maybe even one or two 305 injected cars. Good Luck. Without a CIC method the "fix" is in to help the poorly factored cars take home some extra money.
This would only work with a tight CIC to help the second round cars. First round is not a pretty sight.

Urraco · 11-28-2010, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Miller

There are several racers on this forum who are always talking about Stock and S/S losing its performance based status. Well here’s an idea where you can prove you still have performance based classes.

At the LODRS events across the country the tracks are prepped and the racers are there. Talk to your Division Director and see if he would allow you to have a combo race on Friday or Saturday night of the event. Make it a no breakout combo race that proves just how fast you can go, not who’s the best driver with a bottle of shoe polish. Either get your own sponsors or make it a gamblers race to pay the purse. Don’t expect NHRA to put up any money, do it all yourself.

My suggestion would be handicapped off the indexes with no breakout. Of course the AHFS would NOT be in effect. There would still be a need to be fuel checked and weighed just to keep everyone honest. And no ringers would be allowed. The car must be entered into and qualified at the regular LODRS event.

This would not be a TOP Stock or Top S/S race since all classes of Stock and S/S would be invited to race, not just a select few. So how many of you performance oriented racers would be willing to put up your own money to race this way? Think about it and talk to your DD for next season.

Travis Miller

(Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.)

How in the world would this ever work with the weak or complete lack of tech that we have now?

Bob Pagano · 11-28-2010, 03:10 PM

Why is tech a problem ? A car can run a second and a half under at a points meet and get HP on Monday, is that car checked ? What is fair about that ? Some people need to see the decisions made at national events even get overturned by higher ups. Why are good tech's handcuffed and shutdown? Seems to me nhra dose not like to tear down and would do away with it if they could which would do away with S & SS. After a whole season of unhappy people why has nhra been so closed mouth ? How about end all this crap and give rules everyone can live with, rules that are fair for all not just a few. Now is the time to announce the new rules not after the first of the year.

Ed Fernandez · 11-28-2010, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Pagano

Why is tech a problem ? A car can run a second and a half under at a points meet and get HP on Monday, is that car checked ? What is fair about that ? Some people need to see the decisions made at national events even get overturned by higher ups. Why are good tech's handcuffed and shutdown? Seems to me nhra dose not like to tear down and would do away with it if they could which would do away with S & SS. After a whole season of unhappy people why has nhra been so closed mouth ? How about end all this crap and give rules everyone can live with, rules that are fair for all not just a few. Now is the time to announce the new rules not after the first of the year.

Bob,you've heard of divde and conquer haven't you?The internet is NHRAs biggest asset.
We get on here argueing about silly bull$hit things,like first or worse,worse redlights,pay
outs,east coast vs west coast,etc etc.NHRA sits back and let's us tear our solidarity apart and doesn't have to address the major problems with our sport.

Travis Miller · 11-28-2010, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Dick Butler

I bet there are a few Mopars and Mustangs willing to help you put up your money to watch their performance. Maybe even one or two 305 injected cars. Good Luck. Without a CIC method the "fix" is in to help the poorly factored cars take home some extra money.
This would only work with a tight CIC to help the second round cars. First round is not a pretty sight.

Dick, Who said these races should be fair? Forget about any CIC. People want to prove how fast they can go. Okay, let 'em go fast. You want fair and equal racing where people have got a chance, we've got that at the races now. In this type race only the fartherest under their index will come out on top....unless they redlight. Cut a safe light then see if you can drive around your competition on the big end.

Travis Miller

(Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.)

Dick Butler · 11-28-2010, 04:58 PM

[QUOTE=Travis Miller;224781]Dick, Who said these races should be fair? Forget about any CIC. People want to prove how fast they can go. Okay, let 'em go fast. You want fair and equal racing where people have got a chance, we've got that at the races now. In this type race only the fartherest under their index will come out on top....unless they redlight. Cut a safe light then see if you can drive around your competition on the big end.

Travis Miller

(Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.)[/QUOTE

I understand now. The whole deal was a "joke" to show people how unfair the whole deal would be if heads up, no break out. You werent even trying to have fairness, just slaughter by the underfactored,new cars . I get it now. I suppose this would again point to the poor rules being used currently.

Travis Miller · 11-28-2010, 05:46 PM

[QUOTE=Dick Butler;224783I understand now. The whole deal was a "joke" to show people how unfair the whole deal would be if heads up, no break out. You werent even trying to have fairness, just slaughter by the underfactored,new cars . I get it now. I suppose this would again point to the poor rules being used currently.[/QUOTE]

Dick, I'm shocked. I never thought I would ever hear you say heads up without a break out is unfair. My suggestion was not to run heads up. It was to handicap off the class index, just with no breakout. And my suggestion would let everyone in, not just a select few classes.

Here's a chance for performance oriented racers to prove just how fast they can go without being hit with horsepower. Call it a slaughter if you want but nobody would be forced to enter.

Travis Miller

(Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.)

David Ley · 11-28-2010, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Urraco

How in the world would this ever work with the weak or complete lack of tech that we have now?

Gee thanks . I guess I know where Travis , Ryck Campbell , Wayne Lewis and myself stand now after all the hours of teardowns we put in this year !

11-28-2010, 11:23 AM	#11
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: Performance Based Stk/SS Racing I really like the idea, but Thursday's are hard. Maybe if it was run every Thursday before a points race it would have a better chance of developing a following. I know on Thursday at every Cajun Sportsnationals has been a problem with anything other than a test-n-tune. If time could be found during the event would be the best, but that varies division to division. __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK

11-28-2010, 12:42 PM	#12
K Stubbs Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Benton, Arkansas Posts: 402 Likes: 0 Liked 20 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Performance Based Stk/SS Racing Fri night if there isnt a curfew

11-28-2010, 12:58 PM	#13
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Performance Based Stk/SS Racing I bet there are a few Mopars and Mustangs willing to help you put up your money to watch their performance. Maybe even one or two 305 injected cars. Good Luck. Without a CIC method the "fix" is in to help the poorly factored cars take home some extra money. This would only work with a tight CIC to help the second round cars. First round is not a pretty sight.

11-28-2010, 03:10 PM	#15
Bob Pagano VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New Holland, PA Mooresville,NC Posts: 1,163 Likes: 241 Liked 16 Times in 11 Posts	Re: Performance Based Stk/SS Racing Why is tech a problem ? A car can run a second and a half under at a points meet and get HP on Monday, is that car checked ? What is fair about that ? Some people need to see the decisions made at national events even get overturned by higher ups. Why are good tech's handcuffed and shutdown? Seems to me nhra dose not like to tear down and would do away with it if they could which would do away with S & SS. After a whole season of unhappy people why has nhra been so closed mouth ? How about end all this crap and give rules everyone can live with, rules that are fair for all not just a few. Now is the time to announce the new rules not after the first of the year. __________________ Bob Pagano A/SA Last edited by Bob Pagano; 11-28-2010 at 03:12 PM.

11-28-2010, 04:58 PM	#18
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Performance Based Stk/SS Racing [QUOTE=Travis Miller;224781]Dick, Who said these races should be fair? Forget about any CIC. People want to prove how fast they can go. Okay, let 'em go fast. You want fair and equal racing where people have got a chance, we've got that at the races now. In this type race only the fartherest under their index will come out on top....unless they redlight. Cut a safe light then see if you can drive around your competition on the big end. Travis Miller (Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.)[/QUOTE I understand now. The whole deal was a "joke" to show people how unfair the whole deal would be if heads up, no break out. You werent even trying to have fairness, just slaughter by the underfactored,new cars . I get it now. I suppose this would again point to the poor rules being used currently. Last edited by Dick Butler; 11-28-2010 at 05:00 PM.

11-28-2010, 05:46 PM	#19
Travis Miller Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 478 Likes: 1 Liked 276 Times in 27 Posts	Re: Performance Based Stk/SS Racing [QUOTE=Dick Butler;224783I understand now. The whole deal was a "joke" to show people how unfair the whole deal would be if heads up, no break out. You werent even trying to have fairness, just slaughter by the underfactored,new cars . I get it now. I suppose this would again point to the poor rules being used currently.[/QUOTE] Dick, I'm shocked. I never thought I would ever hear you say heads up without a break out is unfair. My suggestion was not to run heads up. It was to handicap off the class index, just with no breakout. And my suggestion would let everyone in, not just a select few classes. Here's a chance for performance oriented racers to prove just how fast they can go without being hit with horsepower. Call it a slaughter if you want but nobody would be forced to enter. Travis Miller (Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.)