What class does this supercharged / stick Thunderbird fall in? - Page 2

bill dedman · 11-18-2010, 03:07 AM

This car, a '57 T-Bird was running C/SA and I watched a time trial wherein he went 13-flat (don't remember the mph) by simply stomping the accelerator... no power-brake/stall-start at all. Zero wheelspin.

The car was 10 years old at the time...

Parham and Payne were there, also, with their 300 HP '57 4-door hardtop McCullough blown Ford, too.

bill dedman · 11-18-2010, 03:09 AM

OOOOPS....

Here's the engine.
My apologies to the program....

Colesy · 11-18-2010, 07:02 AM

The T-Bird belonged to Dave Edmunds from Ohio. Here's another picture of it from 68 racing Ramon Lowe.

BlueOval Ralph · 11-18-2010, 10:42 AM

Dual quads were rated at 270 hp std cam and 285 with the E-2 cam which was used later in the Blower cars as I rememer the E-2 cam was also a Pontiac option in 57 or 58 and the E2 was a Isky grind that several of the Auto companys used

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Originally Posted by michael mercer

My best friend, Charles Venoski, and his father Stanley. This car was the two four barrel version but was available with the supercharger. I think the carbed version was 290 hp. This car was run at Marion, il; Sturgis, ky;Alton,il during the very early 60's.

bill dedman · 11-18-2010, 12:26 PM

If I remember right, the '57 Tri Power Pontiacs had a dealer-installed option of a solid lifter cam. It may have been an Isky e-2 or e-3.... I dunno. Maybe someone else will remember that. I think this was in the pre-McKellar days...

One such vehicle, owned by Tulsa's John Zink won the top stock class at the '57 NHRA Nationals in Oklahoma City, that year. I think he ran 96 MPH, on street tires, with mufflers, and with the air cleaner on.

"Stock" meant STOCK, in those days.

X-TECH MAN · 11-18-2010, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by bill dedman

If I remember right, the '57 Tri Power Pontiacs had a dealer-installed option of a solid lifter cam. It may have been an Isky e-2 or e-3.... I dunno. Maybe someone else will remember that. I think this was in the pre-McKellar days...

One such vehicle, owned by Tulsa's John Zink won the top stock class at the '57 NHRA Nationals in Oklahoma City, that year. I think he ran 96 MPH, on street tires, with mufflers, and with the air cleaner on.

"Stock" meant STOCK, in those days.

Isky E-2 with solid lifters.

bill dedman · 11-18-2010, 02:37 PM

Thanks, Terry.

I HOPE NHRA brings these Pontiacs back along with the Chevies, whewn they do this.

Those, along with the blown Ford and Studes, would sure make for some interesting racing!!!

Fred Holdorf · 11-18-2010, 03:52 PM

Tony, There are several on here that have the old "Red Books", but alas no engine spec's book. I was told (I think by Cloy F.) that they still had the old specs for all, but that was years ago.

Regards, Fred

X-TECH MAN · 11-18-2010, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Fred Holdorf

Tony, There are several on here that have the old "Red Books", but alas no engine spec's book. I was told (I think by Cloy F.) that they still had the old specs for all, but that was years ago.

Regards, Fred

My old engine spec book is in the hands of Duane Eiskant Sr. (Ice Bucket) If I could contact him I hope he would send it to me. I would even pay the shipping. It was a loaner to him while he was working for IHRA full time. It has all of the old engine specs from around 1949 (Olds) and newer with spring pressures, duration, overlap specs, etc. . Is there anyone out there who could help? Bill Hawk, Lil Duane???

Bill Howell · 11-18-2010, 05:54 PM

That brings to mind one positive thing NHRA has done - you used to have to buy the classification guide! Now you can look it up on the internet for free. Better keep our mouth shut.

Also, look at that 57 T-Bird. The class numbers are on the door and the contingency stickers are on the window!

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bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: What class does this supercharged / stick Thunderbird fall in? This car, a '57 T-Bird was running C/SA and I watched a time trial wherein he went 13-flat (don't remember the mph) by simply stomping the accelerator... no power-brake/stall-start at all. Zero wheelspin. The car was 10 years old at the time... Parham and Payne were there, also, with their 300 HP '57 4-door hardtop McCullough blown Ford, too. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Bill Last edited by bill dedman; 11-19-2010 at 03:06 AM.

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bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: What class does this supercharged / stick Thunderbird fall in? OOOOPS.... Here's the engine. My apologies to the program.... Attached Thumbnails __________________ Bill

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Colesy Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 224 Likes: 94 Liked 437 Times in 169 Posts	Re: What class does this supercharged / stick Thunderbird fall in? The T-Bird belonged to Dave Edmunds from Ohio. Here's another picture of it from 68 racing Ramon Lowe. Attached Thumbnails

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bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: What class does this supercharged / stick Thunderbird fall in? If I remember right, the '57 Tri Power Pontiacs had a dealer-installed option of a solid lifter cam. It may have been an Isky e-2 or e-3.... I dunno. Maybe someone else will remember that. I think this was in the pre-McKellar days... One such vehicle, owned by Tulsa's John Zink won the top stock class at the '57 NHRA Nationals in Oklahoma City, that year. I think he ran 96 MPH, on street tires, with mufflers, and with the air cleaner on. "Stock" meant STOCK, in those days. __________________ Bill Last edited by bill dedman; 11-18-2010 at 12:30 PM.

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bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: What class does this supercharged / stick Thunderbird fall in? Thanks, Terry. I HOPE NHRA brings these Pontiacs back along with the Chevies, whewn they do this. Those, along with the blown Ford and Studes, would sure make for some interesting racing!!! __________________ Bill

11-18-2010, 03:52 PM	#18
Fred Holdorf Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Minden, Nv Posts: 44 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: What class does this supercharged / stick Thunderbird fall in? Tony, There are several on here that have the old "Red Books", but alas no engine spec's book. I was told (I think by Cloy F.) that they still had the old specs for all, but that was years ago. Regards, Fred

11-18-2010, 05:54 PM	#20
Bill Howell Sponsor Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Aiken, SC Posts: 315 Likes: 28 Liked 218 Times in 61 Posts	Re: What class does this supercharged / stick Thunderbird fall in? That brings to mind one positive thing NHRA has done - you used to have to buy the classification guide! Now you can look it up on the internet for free. Better keep our mouth shut. Also, look at that 57 T-Bird. The class numbers are on the door and the contingency stickers are on the window! __________________ Bill Howell 2059 STK