.90 questions from mars....

[Bill Baer]

Originally Posted by Chris "drooze" Wertman

Hmmmm....

I understand sort of.

But.....Ok no I dont, I understand the variation and the 9.899 breakout. But whos to say hes going to be any more correct than you.

And what confuses me is the desire to hang back then drive to the finish first this really has my head swimming.

And the RT i Understand.....that as someone else said, were mere mortals, are MOST .90 races decided soley by reaction time ? If they are that might explain some of my confusion.

If his package is better than yours (RT+ET) you will lose and vica versa but even if you have a slightly better light, if your off .01-.02 (9.91-9.92) there is room for him to make that up at the finish line.
The desire to hang back is strategic one if you can see your oponent and judge you rate of closure you can some what control the race or at least you can and have some time to make a decision on the flip side when your the slower car you may not even see the fast guy until the MPH light and you have very little time to no time to make a decision or to avoid a breakout.

Reaction time is critical but so is avoiding breaking out and a good driver can in some cases cancel out a reaction time advantage with some savy finish line driving.

[Rich Biebel]

Front Dump

Head Fake

Drop him off/hope he falls for it and get back on the pedal before he does

Took a cornfield worth of stripe ( I did that sunday afternoon bracket racing for the big L)

Gave it back

If your gonna .90 race you need to learn these terms if you want to be a player.....

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

Im considering it......

Its a damm nice car.....thing is I dont know what a well built and perty SG car is worth. I do know what MY Chally is worth. Its easy its worth what someone will pay for it, and in my case the offers tell me the story.

First before I decide Ive got to understand it. I guess that was the purpose of this thread. If I dont "get" it or at least understand the reasoning of the strategy behind it, well I might as well buy th Farmall Ive got my eye on, and hang on to the Chally until weve got a DP driveline free in a month or so. Super Stock dosent hold as much interest as Stock for me. I dont know why it just dosent. To the more limiting the rules the more interesting. BUT there is no good combo for the 72 Challenger except the Slant 6 I actually like. Im not an LA guy so, never will be there are too many out there that last time they went drinking killed more brain cells of knowledge on LA engines that I will ever be able to catch up on.

So if its not oddball (and the new hemis qualify in my opinion because everything we are doing different is breaking new ground) well.....If I could get my hands on a Cherry 81 Challenger (mitsu) 2.5 Id be in heaven.

So, maybe SG is the route.....besides who said Im drivin ?

Originally Posted by Rich Biebel

Front Dump

Head Fake

Drop him off/hope he falls for it and get back on the pedal before he does

Took a cornfield worth of stripe ( I did that sunday afternoon bracket racing for the big L)

Gave it back

If your gonna .90 race you need to learn these terms if you want to be a player.....

[Bill Baer]

Originally Posted by rich biebel

front dump

head fake

drop him off/hope he falls for it and get back on the pedal before he does

took a cornfield worth of stripe ( i did that sunday afternoon bracket racing for the big l)

gave it back

if your gonna .90 race you need to learn these terms if you want to be a player.....

lol...............

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

Originally Posted by Bill Baer

lol...............

It all becomes Moot as of 5 minutes ago, but I truly do appreciate the education, there is an issue that it will take me more time to correct on the car than I care to.

Oh well.....damm its perty though.

Guess Ill figger something else out.

[Bryan Gillespie]

Originally Posted by Rich Biebel

Front Dump

Head Fake

Drop him off/hope he falls for it and get back on the pedal before he does

Took a cornfield worth of stripe ( I did that sunday afternoon bracket racing for the big L)

Gave it back

If your gonna .90 race you need to learn these terms if you want to be a player.....

also : sun was in my eyes, squirter arm fell off, computer fart, etc............................................... .................................................. .................................................. .................

[voltdr]

Drooze,
Super Class racing is just like Stock or Super Stock or ET Brackets, except that someone else tells you your dial-in. What if in SS and STK you raced on the index and not a dial-under. How would you kill you ET? We use our throttle stops. That's where the problem starts. It's the time ON the stop that causes all the trouble with really knowing what your car will run. The longer on the stop the more chance for error. If you wait until after 660' you will be on the stop way too long. There was a SC car at INDY last year only running 118 MPH. However you are right that winning is about leaving on time and running your dial-in, just like other classes. Why do some Stk and SS racers hold .03-.05. It's because of the RT. If I'm .04 late on the tree but my car is setup to run a .86 then our race may look close to the other guy running .90x and .005 RT. That's where driving the finish line comes in. That is where it's easier to race the stripe if you can see your opponent, and the finish line w/o turning around, especially if there is a 15-20MPH difference in speed. We always like to have someone new come in show us how simple it appears to be. Just let go of the button and run the number. Nothing to it, come on in, the water is fine.

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

Far from simple I guess....I cannot get my head all the way around the strategy emploued and the reasoning for it. Thats the problem.

As I said in the start my contrary posts werent disagreement but my way of asking a question, to get someone to tell me why its done a certain way.

But to me, racing to the stripe in a 9.90 race seems contratry you are depending on your opponent to be as close.

Why not hammer it to the 1200 and lock em up and watch your opponent sail by and break out while you crawl across at 50 mph ? To me , if Im racing to the stripe Im depending on my opponent to be dialed accurate ? No ?

Im so flippin confused, and confused why you would even (as a begginer) worry anything about that and run it like a bracket car set dead to 9.90 and forget about the other guy......I dont know like I said, maybe its blood loss.....Maybe all my skull fractures are catching up with me.

Originally Posted by voltdr

Drooze,
Super Class racing is just like Stock or Super Stock or ET Brackets, except that someone else tells you your dial-in. What if in SS and STK you raced on the index and not a dial-under. How would you kill you ET? We use our throttle stops. That's where the problem starts. It's the time ON the stop that causes all the trouble with really knowing what your car will run. The longer on the stop the more chance for error. If you wait until after 660' you will be on the stop way too long. There was a SC car at INDY last year only running 118 MPH. However you are right that winning is about leaving on time and running your dial-in, just like other classes. Why do some Stk and SS racers hold .03-.05. It's because of the RT. If I'm .04 late on the tree but my car is setup to run a .86 then our race may look close to the other guy running .90x and .005 RT. That's where driving the finish line comes in. That is where it's easier to race the stripe if you can see your opponent, and the finish line w/o turning around, especially if there is a 15-20MPH difference in speed. We always like to have someone new come in show us how simple it appears to be. Just let go of the button and run the number. Nothing to it, come on in, the water is fine.

[voltdr]

You want to run a .90 w/o letting the other guy know how you do it. Unlike Stk and SS there are numerous ways to get to a .90 If you think you can run a .90 at 50 mph then you better be right, because you have no time to say OH ***** and get back on the gas or brakes. A 15 MPH closing rate in our racing is hard to judge. In my SC dragster, if the I run 166 and the other guy is running 180. He is still behind me by more than 23' at the 1000' cone. There are some people that will just drive their car out the back door no matter what is happening in the other lane. They think they have their car dialled-in. When they breakout by.001 and took .02 stripe it gets hard to swallow sometime.

[Chris Williams]

The easiest and fastest way to understand index racing is to watch any .90 class (10.90, 9.90, 8.90) standing near the finish line. Watch the racers and listen to the engines. You'll see people:

- Running it out the back door -- they think they've got it dialed perfectly and they're happy with their light. Or they're unhappy with their light and they're just hanging on hoping they'll catch the other guy and win.

- Racing the stripe (on and off the gas/brakes) -- they think they're pretty close but they want to be sure to win by just a wheel or so, take any more than necessary and you risk breaking out.

- Dumping the other guy (off the gas or on the brakes hard) -- they think the other guy is fast and will break out, they want to be sure they don't. This takes the biggest cahones, because you better be right. You're giving up the win, betting on a breakout. If they don't, you're hosed.

- Looking over their shoulder -- they're the slower car in MPH (so they're on the stop a shorter time, and have taken off on the other guy), they're trying to judge the stripe (see above) with a car that's coming up on them fast.

- Slapping their head -- they made one of the above choices wrong, and they are pissed... Remember, this is all happening at 150-200 mph, it takes a lot of practice to get it right.

Watch at the end, note the times and the win light, and you'll catch on soon enough.