Super Street License

[Nitro Joe Jackson]

Simple cure eliminate the timers, we go back to when Super classes first started the throttle stops where set up off of the shifters and closed when you hit high gear and if many of you remember we had people in the stands watching them back then instead of the "stop-n-go" racing we have now.

[mr305]

Originally Posted by Chris Williams

How about we just fix all the index classes and cut them all by a second? SC: 7.90, SG: 8.90, SST: 9.90. I don't personally know anyone in any one of these classes who couldn't step it up (some with a little bit of work). And it would make the classes much more interesting, for example, instead of being on the stop for ~2sec, we'd be on for under a second, and would run at a faster speed on the stop. Fans would much appreciate it, and it would help slow down the leakage from SC to TD and from SG to TS.

Yea and then everyone would have a brad anderson hemi with a screw blower to run 7.90 @ 250! You can change the index's all you want but someone will always try to be the top dog! This coming from a 129 mph super street racer! hehehe
Aaron Disinger
327y s/st

[TCOONLY]

agreed no matter what the indexes are your always going to be in the same boat. as far as 10.90 being entry level????? maybe et wise but take a look at most of the races...........tighter than most classes

[Jason Oldfield]

Lowering the indexes won't work. It would be a temporary solution, but over time all it would do is force everybody to go out and spend even more money. Speed limits or the elimination of electronic throttle control devices are the only two solutions that I've heard that would work, and speed limits would add another level of complexity to a class that the fans already don't understand.

The best solution is to get rid of the electronics, but I just don't see that ever happening. NHRA currently has enough racers showing up at every race with big dollar cars / engines, and many of those cars / competitors bring sponsorship money with them. By eliminating electronics, they would run the risk of alienating those competitors and losing their money to a competitive sanctioning body. I can guarantee that if the NHRA outlawed electronics that the IHRA would IMMEDIATELY open their outstretched arms to publicly welcome them to their organization (of course, NHRA might not even care, and might just replace us with T/S, T/D, and Pro Modified...oh wait, that's already happening!)

I'm going to quit here before I write a book and get more death threats...

[Kevlar]

Originally Posted by John Kelley

They are AFRAID to move up !!!! :-)

Afraid of what?

[T Hall]

GOOD GREIF! Hasnt this subject been beat to death long enough? Next time, just do a search for it above and just continue the dead subject on one of the other threads.

Get out of racing if you are not happy with it instead of trying to change it. Or simply just swithch to one of the other classes.

[mitch sowers]

Sounds like somebody needs to make more HORSE POWER!

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366P S/ST S/G

[Jason Oldfield]

Originally Posted by mitch sowers

Sounds like somebody needs to make more HORSE POWER!
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366P S/ST S/G

I think you mean, spend more money unnecessarily.

I personally have a great class to run in with S/St, and at 10.90 @ 139 mph I'm at the mid-to-high end of the mph pack when you look at the distribution of speeds at any particular event, so I'm perfectly content continuing to race there (well, expect for the fact that the ride is boring as hell because of the throttle stop). But, that doesn't mean that I don't think it is silly that we're all spending this money just to put MORE time in our throttle stops.

As Tony said, this topic has been beaten to death, so I don't need to re-state the myriad of reasons why it would be beneficial to eliminate electronics. In the end, people are averse to change - it's general human nature. People like their nice little routines, and anytime you take somebody out of their routine by changing something, you take them out of their comfort zone. So, people generally avoid change at all cost, and this situation is no different.

[Michael Pliska]

Originally Posted by Nitro Joe Jackson

Simple cure eliminate the timers, we go back to when Super classes first started the throttle stops where set up off of the shifters and closed when you hit high gear and if many of you remember we had people in the stands watching them back then instead of the "stop-n-go" racing we have now.

x10000!!!

I have photos of me in late rounds of national events in the 80's, with the stands absolutely packed. The crowds loved us, as we had wheels-up launches and close racing, and with the true win light it was easy enough to understand (and even the people who didn't understand could still see who won). I know, as some have said I'm just a has-been and a whiner, but I think our classes would be more popular if we ran things the old way.

[TS310C]

While I agree that the super classes are boring for the average spectator to watch (although I don't think they should be changed!) it won't mater if we stop using timers or not. There isn't anyone in the stands at most races even when the super stock, comp, alcohol, etc... are running. There just aren't any spectators coming to division races period, at least in div 3. There is one exception and that is Norwalk. This is because he promotes the race. If I am not mistaken he gave away tickets this year too. It works well for ADRL. If you can get the people to come they will buy food and t-shirts. That is where you make your money. It would be better to sell food and t-shirts to 10,000 people than to sell tickets to 100 people. I guess what I am trying to say is that changing the super classes is not going to fix the spectator issue! There aren't enough spectators on the property in the first place.