AJE wheelie bars ? - Page 2

Stewart Way · 03-31-2010, 06:36 PM

Almost hesitate to enter into this for fear of being accused of b..ching but...Oh Well. Stock started allowing wheelie bars in 2002 I think. The wording has always been the same. Can not be attached to anything but the rear end housing. SS at the time had wheelie bars but it only stated that they could not be attached to the rear bumber of braces and it still reads that way today. But if you read the start of Super Stock it states that SS uses the same rules a Stock except where noted in the SS section. Nowhere in the SS section does it say that any part of the wheelie bar can be attached to anything so the rule from Stock applies to both Stock and Super Stock.
Just my read on the rules and as we know, opinions vary.

Larry Hill · 03-31-2010, 06:43 PM

I would like to thank Ralph Popora for allowing me to look at some length at the AJE bars on his car. It was a lot of engineering in a very small space and nicely done.

03-31-2010, 07:37 PM

This does not make any sense... What differance does it make if the bars pick up the diff and the upper body? Is it unsafe? No. Is it an advantage? No. Is it lighter? No. It is a differant approach for the same result. If anything it is a better approach to an outdated design. How about all the wheelie bars that are clearly too long for the car they are on. Very easy for a Camaro, Mustang and Mopar guy to see this...

Barry

Rory McNeil · 03-31-2010, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert Simpson

What brought all this to light? I have seen these bars on Calverts cars for years? While I agree with the clairification. Did I miss something in the rule book about welded on sway bars? I have seen links and attachment points welded to the frame? I don't mean a coil spring car with a bolt on sway bar. I mean a leaf spring car with a sway bar control system on it? I don't know if that is legal or not? It has been several years since I have seen the photos of the cars in question.

Robert

Although John Calverts Mustang has been equipped with AJE wheelie bars for several years now, it has always been as a Super Stocker. I don`t believe that he ever had the bars on when it used to run in Stock.

Lew Silverman · 03-31-2010, 08:25 PM

I may be missing something, but the way the bars are designed they act as a lever with the fulcrum in the middle, not at the axle. If you push up on the wheel end it pushes DOWN on the end attached to the axle. On a normal set of bars the fulcrum is at the wheel end, lifting the axle.

Lew

Jeff Lee · 03-31-2010, 10:19 PM

I think I started running them on my D/S AMX in 2005. I never even thought it could be a problem. D7 tech never said a word (and I know, past acceptance is not presedence).

Bob Pagano · 04-01-2010, 09:30 AM

Here is my fix for the problem.
Weld a bar across the chassis with two pads on it, weld a strut at the fulcrum point with a pad on it. Gap the pads 1/8 inch. The bars will need to be attached solid to the rear instead of bolted. They should still work at the fulcrum point.

Bill Kennedy · 04-01-2010, 10:53 AM

If any one needs a set, I have a set that I would sell.

magnumv8 · 04-03-2010, 11:15 AM

I remember when the AJE bars were first brought to market and reading the tech information and seeing the photos of them installed and the theory of their operation.....while they are similar in appearance and do give you "wheelie" control they are considered a traction device and NHRA did not allow them to be used in stock....they have never been legal.....and if you read the general regs 3.6 you will see that they aren't legal in superstock either....they must be "fixed" at the attachment point and cannot pivot.....

pretty much black and white to me...no grey area there.....

D L Rambo.....

Ernie Neal · 04-03-2010, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by magnumv8

I remember when the AJE bars were first brought to market and reading the tech information and seeing the photos of them installed and the theory of their operation.....while they are similar in appearance and do give you "wheelie" control they are considered a traction device and NHRA did not allow them to be used in stock....they have never been legal.....and if you read the general regs 3.6 you will see that they aren't legal in superstock either....they must be "fixed" at the attachment point and cannot pivot.....

pretty much black and white to me...no grey area there.....

D L Rambo.....

I beg to differ; they are devised for wheelie control only! If you don't have traction you don't even need them.

Ernie Neal
SS3400

03-31-2010, 06:36 PM	#11
Stewart Way Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Atlanta Posts: 476 Likes: 20 Liked 70 Times in 22 Posts	Re: AJE wheelie bars ? Almost hesitate to enter into this for fear of being accused of b..ching but...Oh Well. Stock started allowing wheelie bars in 2002 I think. The wording has always been the same. Can not be attached to anything but the rear end housing. SS at the time had wheelie bars but it only stated that they could not be attached to the rear bumber of braces and it still reads that way today. But if you read the start of Super Stock it states that SS uses the same rules a Stock except where noted in the SS section. Nowhere in the SS section does it say that any part of the wheelie bar can be attached to anything so the rule from Stock applies to both Stock and Super Stock. Just my read on the rules and as we know, opinions vary.

03-31-2010, 06:43 PM	#12
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,644 Likes: 1,941 Liked 10,738 Times in 2,234 Posts	Re: AJE wheelie bars ? I would like to thank Ralph Popora for allowing me to look at some length at the AJE bars on his car. It was a lot of engineering in a very small space and nicely done. __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817

03-31-2010, 07:37 PM	#13
Barry Polley Guest Posts: n/a	Re: AJE wheelie bars ? This does not make any sense... What differance does it make if the bars pick up the diff and the upper body? Is it unsafe? No. Is it an advantage? No. Is it lighter? No. It is a differant approach for the same result. If anything it is a better approach to an outdated design. How about all the wheelie bars that are clearly too long for the car they are on. Very easy for a Camaro, Mustang and Mopar guy to see this... Barry

03-31-2010, 08:25 PM	#15
Lew Silverman VIP Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,435 Likes: 371 Liked 129 Times in 59 Posts	Re: AJE wheelie bars ? I may be missing something, but the way the bars are designed they act as a lever with the fulcrum in the middle, not at the axle. If you push up on the wheel end it pushes DOWN on the end attached to the axle. On a normal set of bars the fulcrum is at the wheel end, lifting the axle. Lew __________________ Lew Silverman #2070 "The Wagon Master" N/SA

03-31-2010, 10:19 PM	#16
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: AJE wheelie bars ? I think I started running them on my D/S AMX in 2005. I never even thought it could be a problem. D7 tech never said a word (and I know, past acceptance is not presedence). __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX

04-01-2010, 09:30 AM	#17
Bob Pagano VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New Holland, PA Mooresville,NC Posts: 1,163 Likes: 241 Liked 16 Times in 11 Posts	Re: AJE wheelie bars ? Here is my fix for the problem. Weld a bar across the chassis with two pads on it, weld a strut at the fulcrum point with a pad on it. Gap the pads 1/8 inch. The bars will need to be attached solid to the rear instead of bolted. They should still work at the fulcrum point. __________________ Bob Pagano A/SA

04-01-2010, 10:53 AM	#18
Bill Kennedy Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 306 Likes: 144 Liked 37 Times in 11 Posts	Re: AJE wheelie bars ? If any one needs a set, I have a set that I would sell. __________________ Bill Kennedy 1671 SS

04-03-2010, 11:15 AM	#19
magnumv8 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Coraopolis, Pa. Posts: 172 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: AJE wheelie bars ? I remember when the AJE bars were first brought to market and reading the tech information and seeing the photos of them installed and the theory of their operation.....while they are similar in appearance and do give you "wheelie" control they are considered a traction device and NHRA did not allow them to be used in stock....they have never been legal.....and if you read the general regs 3.6 you will see that they aren't legal in superstock either....they must be "fixed" at the attachment point and cannot pivot..... pretty much black and white to me...no grey area there..... D L Rambo.....