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Jack,
Respectfully, Dennis is not the only one to benefit. Everyone who blows a motor and can safely control their damaged car to a stop would benefit. I believe that was mentioned in the first post. Steve |
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I have already sent pictures of one of our SS/AH cars underneath. The real conflict as I see it is you can have oil retention or steering. I don't see both on one car. Today I am going to take pictures of Kevin Helms 69 Camaro 396 to see how much fun that would be. We asked for data on just how oil down's in S/SS are hurting before jumping into a decision (should I say mufflers). I and several others have expressed opinions on this matter to Bob Lang. It is being touted as a safety device and there is always a chance of getting oil on the rear tires from an engine problem. To me the bigger problem that I have asked for and documented for the last 15 years is steering on the Stock and especially SS that goes through the pan and headers. Add a nice wheelstand and 160 MPH. No we don't need rack-and-pinion steering!!! We average a couple of steering boxes a year on our cars. That is more of a safety hazard than oil in my opinion. Another knee-jerk reaction.
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Gary has the right idea. Before each S/SS session, the starter shall say "Raise your right hand ( thats the one close to the shifter) and repeat after me "I promise not to oil the track." Done deal. I love it when a plan comes together.
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My 69 camaro BBC super stocker has a DRE diaper on it and it fits like a glove. I guess there's no need to bother with the Helms's 396 camaro as a diaper will fit it without a doubt.
To those who wheelstand and are worried about it then don't do it. Run it like that Fine 409 and Highway car and you'll be all set and SUPER consistent. Someone mentioned risk factor and being a wimp. Think about who's cleaning it up. It's not you. It's the owner of the facility at his cost. All you have to do is call a worthwhile diaper manufacturer and they'll get it figured out for you.
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I've been involved with Diapers since they became manditory. My Alky F/C never had one. Every engine/rod failure with my Top Fuel Car(s) and since working on Jim Head's Funny Car results in and saturrated over flowing diaper. THE ONLY thing that saves an Oil Down is a correctly designed and sealed belly pan with fore and aft baffles to stop Oil Shosh. After we hang a rod out we carefully let down the belly pan that is usually full of oil along with the soaked diaper. This is the rule not the exception with Nitro Cars. Did I mention we run Dry Sumps? IF diapers were the cure all, then why are there still oil downs with the Nitro Cars? Why are belly pans manditory also? My feeling's are quite simply that a "universal" Diaper for stock/ss is impossible. The containment is too close in proximity to the headers and the risk for fire is multiplied. I personnelly will not run a diaper on my car WITHOUT an on board fire system. When they pulled Al DaPasso out of his Alky FC in BG , KY in 1992 the meat (muscles) of his lower legs were hanging off the bones like a cooked chicken. ( He died several weeks later.) I prefer for that not to happen to anyone ever again. MY point ? I hate Fire. Hit a guardrail,... spin out,... flip........NO problem .....I hate fire.....What's next? Fire Suits, and Hans Devices? Give me a brake! ...PS... for all the non Vietnam Vets out there, Go on line and look up how Napalm is made; Take a little Gasoline, Mix in a little Aluminum, add some Oil, etc. etc., sound Kinda like the contents of an oil pan? JB.
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Great Point Jim !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I'm not in favor of this on many levels, the cost, the service issues,the REAL need.First the cost, if you have room and can just get a garden variety diaper and install it great, go for it. However most of the cars I've seen would require quite a bit of reworking, if such a device had been incorporated into the build from jump street then all's well. I like Wade do most all of my own car building, build a new set of headers, yeah I can do it then I can drop another $300 for coating and throw my other perfectly good set in the scrap pile.First issue solved, next oil pan, nearly touches mid plate, well a new $700-$1000 oil pan should fix that.So for me at least, besides the labor time to fab up the headers and the cost of the diaper I'm in for about $1000 dollars. Now would I spend a grand to protect my race car, yeah you bet however as stated by some here it's still no guarantee, I'm not going to leak some fluid, for instance, A good freind of mine has a T/S car with a diaper a few years ago he's at a race leaves the line all the sudden car takes off on him, tags the wall, car goes back to RJ for repair. The culprit? He had a small water leak that kept collecting in the diaper once it had enough stored up well you can see how it turned out. As for service well seems to me it would require at the very least taking one side of it down, is that a pain, not sure but for some apps I'm quite sure it wouldn't be pleasent. And yeah the REAL need how 'bout showing us track oiling racers some data, data's good I've found it useful most every day in my life. I cannot say having one is a bad idea, however I can say it's a bad idea to make them mandatory, we simply can't run every possible scenario and come up with a fix for it, too many variables.So to the guys that have them cudos just don't make everyone else have to have them. Joe
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Dear Bob&Dennis if you only listen to one person you should at least listen to the most qualified and I think FJ Smith is one who knows what he's talking about.Claude Ruel
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I swore if we beat back the muffler rule I wouldn't complain about anything else; but in NHRA's infinite capacity to "milk" us they are indeed the gift that keeps on giving. In looking a various tight fits, and including our tie rods that goes through the pan, mfgs keep telling us they can fit anything, any minute gap they can deal with...I question the "retention" capability of material that can squeeze through our tight spaces, and or gaps caused by tie rods etc, between round maintenance, and loose material getting caught up in steering etc
It does indeed "smell" like a revenue enhancer (I assume replacements every two years like seat belts...what a joke) NHRA tried to "sell" us mufflers with multiple articles on it being a performance gain (as well as sound)....the credibility they lost on that and other Sportsman issues negate their "concern" over our safety (like sending us down damp foggy tracks at 10PM or later to get the race in)...so if they want to mandate a revenue stream, just do it....don't tell us your concerned about our safety I was prepared to quit over mufflers, not so much on this, but I don't like it. The name change from diapers to oil rention devices is straight out of Madison Ave...cute, but a rose is still a rose |
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For this to be taken seriously, and I'm willing to take it as a serious promise, there have to be consequences if the promise is broken. What are the consequences that people are willing to put with if they promise not to oil the track and then they do?
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