Help building Stock class car - Page 2

Mark Yacavone · 12-07-2009, 07:42 PM

Alex, I'll take Turbochargers, for 5 horsepower...

Jeff Lee · 12-07-2009, 08:14 PM

I've seen the car. It's a nice car. Rust-free Arizona car. All the right parts. You could have $10K wrapped up in a car like this LESS engine and tranny!

JoeCool108 · 12-08-2009, 12:15 PM

I know Mark has been around and builds great cars. As someone earlier stated the economy is the issue and with 3 kids its hard to spare the cash. I have the car already and the parts, my labor is free. I wanted to know if the combo can be competetive.

Ron Middleton · 12-08-2009, 01:27 PM

Joe Cool108,
there really isn't any reason you shouldn't beel able to be competitve. Engine specs are very similar to the 1976 models that run competively. The dual plug head design and EDIS may take a while to figure out but shouldn't be a big problem. Go to www.wilsonracingms.com for MS2 bolt in engine management system. Bo at www.bo-port.com can help with head and cam.
I have 1992 that I originally was going to run but then got the Turbo Copue and decided to go different direction with the 92 Mustang. I know with what I played around with on the '92 2.3l it wasn't that far off and way over weight. I should have been able to be competitive. Good Luck.

JoeCool108 · 12-08-2009, 04:59 PM

Well if the car is too heavy, doesnt that put it at a disadvantage? I know class racing rules are very restrictive. I prefer to race in a class, its much more of a challenge than a bracket car.

scott helms · 12-08-2009, 06:09 PM

Joe cool if you want a competetive car I'll sell you my 66 Impala O,P,Q /SA went 13.037 @ 101.MPH, thats 106.3 under index on IHRA side @PBIR last weekend,in IHRA Q/SA weight call me at 813-363-5388 cell,(Won class at Houston tx.and No problem la.,won GATORS,fl. won and runner up at SSSSA races this year) also have spare stuff

6031 stock · 12-08-2009, 09:28 PM

what is the min weight, i run a 88 with 302 and have had to add a fair amount to get to min

Marshall Greenwell

Ron Middleton · 12-09-2009, 09:35 AM

Joe,
The Mustang I ran was myson's everyday driver until his death. IT was a loaded LX 2.3L auto car with pwr everything. The car weighed 3280 with my nephew in it and he is 30 lbs. lighter than me while class weight with driver could be 2795lbs. I bracket raced it a few times just to get an idea if it would be competitive and I think with work it could be but bought a 1986 Turbo Coupe to run instead.

JoeCool108 · 12-15-2009, 02:15 PM

Would this car because it is fuel injected be put in a FI class? Is there one that low in the food chain, or would it just go in the regular lower level classes with carb cars?

Ron Middleton · 12-15-2009, 03:31 PM

In NHRA it's a natural U/S(A) car. In IHRA it's a natural K/FI(A). The index for both classes is a 15.15 which means you probaably need to run at 14.65 to be somewhat competitive. The IHRA K/FIA index is a 9.45. My Mustang ran a 10.20 with a tired 135k stock motor, with no modifications at all at 3280 lbs. and a stock A4LD trans. It did have a 4.56 gear and a 28" tall tire. I know that the 10.20 in the 1/8 mile is still a long way off from the 9.45 index but I know there was more in it. I bracket raced it several times and car was pretty consistent and in fact I runner-upped the first time out with it. This was after a 20 year hiatus from drag racing.
If nothing else go for it and have fun. To me the most important part of it all is just the participation and interaction with all those I have met. JMT.

12-07-2009, 07:42 PM	#11
Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,814 Likes: 2,903 Liked 5,118 Times in 1,950 Posts	Re: Help building Stock class car Alex, I'll take Turbochargers, for 5 horsepower... __________________ "We are lucky we don't get as much Government as we pay for." Will Rogers

12-07-2009, 08:14 PM	#12
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Help building Stock class car I've seen the car. It's a nice car. Rust-free Arizona car. All the right parts. You could have $10K wrapped up in a car like this LESS engine and tranny! __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX

12-08-2009, 12:15 PM	#13
JoeCool108 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 26 Likes: 1 Liked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Help building Stock class car I know Mark has been around and builds great cars. As someone earlier stated the economy is the issue and with 3 kids its hard to spare the cash. I have the car already and the parts, my labor is free. I wanted to know if the combo can be competetive.

12-08-2009, 01:27 PM	#14
Ron Middleton Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Location: Jackson, Ms. Posts: 350 Likes: 183 Liked 12 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Help building Stock class car Joe Cool108, there really isn't any reason you shouldn't beel able to be competitve. Engine specs are very similar to the 1976 models that run competively. The dual plug head design and EDIS may take a while to figure out but shouldn't be a big problem. Go to www.wilsonracingms.com for MS2 bolt in engine management system. Bo at www.bo-port.com can help with head and cam. I have 1992 that I originally was going to run but then got the Turbo Copue and decided to go different direction with the 92 Mustang. I know with what I played around with on the '92 2.3l it wasn't that far off and way over weight. I should have been able to be competitive. Good Luck. __________________ #4892 J/SA. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence then, is not an act, but a habit.” - Aristotle

12-08-2009, 04:59 PM	#15
JoeCool108 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 26 Likes: 1 Liked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Help building Stock class car Well if the car is too heavy, doesnt that put it at a disadvantage? I know class racing rules are very restrictive. I prefer to race in a class, its much more of a challenge than a bracket car.

12-08-2009, 06:09 PM	#16
scott helms Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Pierre Part,la. Posts: 253 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Help building Stock class car Joe cool if you want a competetive car I'll sell you my 66 Impala O,P,Q /SA went 13.037 @ 101.MPH, thats 106.3 under index on IHRA side @PBIR last weekend,in IHRA Q/SA weight call me at 813-363-5388 cell,(Won class at Houston tx.and No problem la.,won GATORS,fl. won and runner up at SSSSA races this year) also have spare stuff __________________ SCOTT HELMS Stk,SS 2540

12-08-2009, 09:28 PM	#17
6031 stock Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Maple Ridge B.C. Posts: 11 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Help building Stock class car what is the min weight, i run a 88 with 302 and have had to add a fair amount to get to min Marshall Greenwell __________________ Marshall Greenwell K/SA

12-09-2009, 09:35 AM	#18
Ron Middleton Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Location: Jackson, Ms. Posts: 350 Likes: 183 Liked 12 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Help building Stock class car Joe, The Mustang I ran was myson's everyday driver until his death. IT was a loaded LX 2.3L auto car with pwr everything. The car weighed 3280 with my nephew in it and he is 30 lbs. lighter than me while class weight with driver could be 2795lbs. I bracket raced it a few times just to get an idea if it would be competitive and I think with work it could be but bought a 1986 Turbo Coupe to run instead. __________________ #4892 J/SA. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence then, is not an act, but a habit.” - Aristotle

12-15-2009, 02:15 PM	#19
JoeCool108 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 26 Likes: 1 Liked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Help building Stock class car Would this car because it is fuel injected be put in a FI class? Is there one that low in the food chain, or would it just go in the regular lower level classes with carb cars?

12-15-2009, 03:31 PM	#20
Ron Middleton Member Join Date: Jan 1970 Location: Jackson, Ms. Posts: 350 Likes: 183 Liked 12 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Help building Stock class car In NHRA it's a natural U/S(A) car. In IHRA it's a natural K/FI(A). The index for both classes is a 15.15 which means you probaably need to run at 14.65 to be somewhat competitive. The IHRA K/FIA index is a 9.45. My Mustang ran a 10.20 with a tired 135k stock motor, with no modifications at all at 3280 lbs. and a stock A4LD trans. It did have a 4.56 gear and a 28" tall tire. I know that the 10.20 in the 1/8 mile is still a long way off from the 9.45 index but I know there was more in it. I bracket raced it several times and car was pretty consistent and in fact I runner-upped the first time out with it. This was after a 20 year hiatus from drag racing. If nothing else go for it and have fun. To me the most important part of it all is just the participation and interaction with all those I have met. JMT. __________________ #4892 J/SA. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence then, is not an act, but a habit.” - Aristotle