Stocker almost wins PINKS ALL OUT--Seattle - Page 2

B Aceves · 08-18-2009, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by John Kelley

Can you imagine if they held a PINKS ALL OUT at POMONA ????
Or Famoso (Bakersfield) ????
OUTRAGEOUS CROWDS !!!!!

Dont Imagine anymore Pinks is coming to Famoso in September 11th 12th has been sold out for a year!!!

B Aceves · 08-18-2009, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Geerhead55

Congratulations to 18 yr. old Dallas Glenn for almost pulling it off with Tom Turner's Dr. Injector Corvette, wheelstanding his way into the 2 out of 3 hotlap competition at Pacific Raceways this past Saturday night. The crowd went wild all day long every time he launched, as it appeared to be a 10.30 - 10.40 group of cars that were picked, even though there were a ton of 9 second cars available. The winner was Dave Wakefield in his 70' Chevelle. The only other stocker I saw there was Gary Johnson's Red Dawg 70' Olds F/SA driven by Russell Stevenson. I didn't see any SS cars in attendance.
It was interesting watching this process,, shooting the show, which by now is a pretty well oiled machine. There were thousands of fans in the stands all day,,,not leaving like they do at national events after T/F, F/C and Pro Stock are over,,,and this is basically just a ton of bracket cars! Go figure,,, please tell me it isn't because of the little bald headed guy! Well,, at least he did'nt dump a bike this time,,LOL.
Danny Durham

Danny we attended Pinks all out last year when they came to Sonoma with the 68 Firebird the Impala and even Mulry blew the moth balls out of the 74 bird, The crowd was unbeliveable they were in the stands
all day and packed the pits. Driving to the staging lanes was like the old Fremont days weaving threw
people to get to the lanes and they let everyone park on the CEMENT!!!!! if they wanted.We had a Great
time and that was a Quote from Mulry Also!! lol.

bill dedman · 08-18-2009, 11:00 PM

>>>"but all in all its great for door slammer-sportsman drag racing."

But, it's still Bracket Racing... it's not DRAG RACING, per se, because you can still lose by going too quick.

Rich Christensen has rhe smoke an mirrors machiene going full-tilt in order to convince the great unwashed in the stands (and, on TV) that this is heads-up drag racing.

It's not.

It may be the best thing to hit our sport, commercially, since nitromethane, but it's still not drag racing.

Drag racing is where you can outrun somebody HEADS UP with no chance of losing by going too quick.

"All Out" is a misnomer, because if you reset your timing for more performance, and run your car ":All Out," in the next round and go quicker, you wil be disqualified. That's the way it's done in Bracket Racing, and for good reason.

Rich has his lackeys in the tower monitoring the sandbaggers and keeping them honest. That's the only way this game will work.

It LOOKS LIKE drag racing and it SOUNDS LIKE drag racing, and maybe the way things have evolved, this is the best they can do... It sure packs 'em in!

I am elated that it puts butts in the seats, and garners decent TV ratings; Hell, somebody may even acquire a sponsorship because of what goes on at these "races," but in the final analysis, the only REAL drag racing that goes on these days is in Stock and S/S class eliminations at national events, and when two like-classed cars meet in an eliminator "heat."

Too bad the audience at NHRA and IHRA events are not aware of that... they might not head for the concession stands when the Stockers run...

Christensen has found a way to sell a cleverly-conceived product that looks and sounds like one thing, but is in fact, something completely different.

He might be related to P.T. Barnum... ya think???

Phil Veldheer Racing · 08-19-2009, 04:50 AM

Bill as I stated-- PINKS ALL OUT has its faults----

I had written a paragraph about its faults, but I deleted it before I replied. Lets think about the positives, I try to all the time. I've been a stocker racer since 1967 and trust me ALL drag racing has its faults especially todays and I quote you--the only REAL drag racing that goes on these days is in Stock and S/S class eliminations at national events, and when two like-classed cars meet in an eliminator "heat."---

This is a post about PINKS ALL OUT, and as a fellow participant in a PINKS ALL OUT Race, I am going to quote Terry Knott-- it was the most fun you could have for a $50--- It was fun and it was 50 lousy dollars, not 190 to 240 dollars.

Phil

Harry 6674 · 08-19-2009, 09:20 AM

In Seattle if you were a defender you couldn't go to fast, if you were a contender they had a limit you could pick up. I think the number was 2 tenths and they better not hear you let up before the stripe. Of course there are ways to pick up a little each round.

Phil Veldheer Racing · 08-19-2009, 09:30 AM

Harry-you are correct a 2/10th cushion..

Phil

B Aceves · 08-19-2009, 11:14 AM

Whatever you guys do, Dont take the wife and kids to a PINKS All out race then take them to a divisional or a national event Big Mistake. I still do not have a good explanation as to why we pay a 1000.00$ to attend a national event or 800.00$ plus dollars for a divisional to maybe win 8k and be a four day event with hours of down time no Fans, When we can just go to PINKS all out and race for two days for 300.00$ and have a chance to win 14k paid in cash not by IOU and watch the same kind of cars Daddy races All day.

The Z-Max episode Four wide is by far the coolest episode yet..

bill dedman · 08-19-2009, 12:16 PM

Phil, I hold NHRA/IHRA class racing (Stock and S/S) in a special place in my hierarchy of racing, and the fact that it contains SOME heads-up/No Breakout racing is the reason.

It's drag racing, pure and simple.

I am not sorry that Pinks All Out exists, and in many ways, it seems like a lot better deal for the racer than class racing... and I am sure that the exposure it gets really IS good for drag racing, in general.

My only contention was that I do think it's disingenuous in that, although they never actually CALL IT heads-up racing, the feeling (and, maybe this is just ME) is that they're presenting a show of heads-up, no breakout racing.... and, they're not. "All Out" would be a show with no breakout... and, we know that's not gonna happen, and we know why.

Like I said, maybe this is the best they can do, and judging from the turn-away crowds, they must be doing something right...

Who knows; maybe Rich Chrsitensen might go on to buy NHRA... somebody needs to.

Thanks for listening.

KJ JONES Racing · 08-19-2009, 01:28 PM

For John (and someone already mentioned this), PINKS All-Out will be at Bakersfield in just a few weeks. The event sold out within' hours of the registration banks opening, several months ago.

Bill...it has been a long time, my friend. You really have a strong (and somewhat negative) opinion about PINKS All-Out. I can't and won't try and change your opinion, but I do want you to know that I participated in the All-Out event in Las Vegas, and left with a very good impression about Rich Christensen's production, which really is NOT as smoke-and-mirrors as some folks unfortunately think.

The bottom line is, TV is gonna be TV, and "real life" is what it is. Even the NHRA broadcasts I watch and events I attend have me on the edge of wanting to gag sometimes, when it becomes WAY too obvious that "the pros" are all that matter--to the sanction, and to the throngs who vacate the stands when Stock thru Comp are making their runs. As someone said earlier in this thread, in person, the PINKS programs bring out folks who don't need to be beer blasted, to enjoy, hoot and cheer, for cars running 10s, 11s and even 12s, in predominately side-by-side fashion.

I wrote a piece for 5.0 Mustang & Super Fords magazine about my PINKS All-Out experience. Here's a link, if you'd like to check it out. Hope all is well, Bill. Maybe we'll run into each other again at some point. It has indeed been a long, long time.

http://www.mustang50magazine.com/tec...out/index.html

Harry 6674 · 08-19-2009, 03:47 PM

Stock and Superstock use to fill the stands the same way in the 60s and early 70s. I think we dialed in-under and out with the fans.

08-18-2009, 11:00 PM	#13
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Stocker almost wins PINKS ALL OUT--Seattle >>>"but all in all its great for door slammer-sportsman drag racing." But, it's still Bracket Racing... it's not DRAG RACING, per se, because you can still lose by going too quick. Rich Christensen has rhe smoke an mirrors machiene going full-tilt in order to convince the great unwashed in the stands (and, on TV) that this is heads-up drag racing. It's not. It may be the best thing to hit our sport, commercially, since nitromethane, but it's still not drag racing. Drag racing is where you can outrun somebody HEADS UP with no chance of losing by going too quick. "All Out" is a misnomer, because if you reset your timing for more performance, and run your car ":All Out," in the next round and go quicker, you wil be disqualified. That's the way it's done in Bracket Racing, and for good reason. Rich has his lackeys in the tower monitoring the sandbaggers and keeping them honest. That's the only way this game will work. It LOOKS LIKE drag racing and it SOUNDS LIKE drag racing, and maybe the way things have evolved, this is the best they can do... It sure packs 'em in! I am elated that it puts butts in the seats, and garners decent TV ratings; Hell, somebody may even acquire a sponsorship because of what goes on at these "races," but in the final analysis, the only REAL drag racing that goes on these days is in Stock and S/S class eliminations at national events, and when two like-classed cars meet in an eliminator "heat." Too bad the audience at NHRA and IHRA events are not aware of that... they might not head for the concession stands when the Stockers run... Christensen has found a way to sell a cleverly-conceived product that looks and sounds like one thing, but is in fact, something completely different. He might be related to P.T. Barnum... ya think??? __________________ Bill Last edited by bill dedman; 08-18-2009 at 11:28 PM.

08-19-2009, 04:50 AM	#14
Phil Veldheer Racing Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Holland, MICHIGAN Posts: 155 Likes: 43 Liked 26 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Stocker almost wins PINKS ALL OUT--Seattle Bill as I stated-- PINKS ALL OUT has its faults---- I had written a paragraph about its faults, but I deleted it before I replied. Lets think about the positives, I try to all the time. I've been a stocker racer since 1967 and trust me ALL drag racing has its faults especially todays and I quote you--the only REAL drag racing that goes on these days is in Stock and S/S class eliminations at national events, and when two like-classed cars meet in an eliminator "heat."--- This is a post about PINKS ALL OUT, and as a fellow participant in a PINKS ALL OUT Race, I am going to quote Terry Knott-- it was the most fun you could have for a $50--- It was fun and it was 50 lousy dollars, not 190 to 240 dollars. Phil __________________ PHIL VELDHEER 3455 STK IHRA WORLD Record Holder 2007-08-09-10-11-12-13-14-15-16

08-19-2009, 09:20 AM	#15
Harry 6674 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 589 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Stocker almost wins PINKS ALL OUT--Seattle In Seattle if you were a defender you couldn't go to fast, if you were a contender they had a limit you could pick up. I think the number was 2 tenths and they better not hear you let up before the stripe. Of course there are ways to pick up a little each round.

08-19-2009, 09:30 AM	#16
Phil Veldheer Racing Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Holland, MICHIGAN Posts: 155 Likes: 43 Liked 26 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Stocker almost wins PINKS ALL OUT--Seattle Harry-you are correct a 2/10th cushion.. Phil __________________ PHIL VELDHEER 3455 STK IHRA WORLD Record Holder 2007-08-09-10-11-12-13-14-15-16

08-19-2009, 11:14 AM	#17
B Aceves Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 457 Likes: 1 Liked 7 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Stocker almost wins PINKS ALL OUT--Seattle Whatever you guys do, Dont take the wife and kids to a PINKS All out race then take them to a divisional or a national event Big Mistake. I still do not have a good explanation as to why we pay a 1000.00$ to attend a national event or 800.00$ plus dollars for a divisional to maybe win 8k and be a four day event with hours of down time no Fans, When we can just go to PINKS all out and race for two days for 300.00$ and have a chance to win 14k paid in cash not by IOU and watch the same kind of cars Daddy races All day. The Z-Max episode Four wide is by far the coolest episode yet.. __________________ Bob Aceves, 746 E/SA A&M motorsports

08-19-2009, 12:16 PM	#18
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Stocker almost wins PINKS ALL OUT--Seattle Phil, I hold NHRA/IHRA class racing (Stock and S/S) in a special place in my hierarchy of racing, and the fact that it contains SOME heads-up/No Breakout racing is the reason. It's drag racing, pure and simple. I am not sorry that Pinks All Out exists, and in many ways, it seems like a lot better deal for the racer than class racing... and I am sure that the exposure it gets really IS good for drag racing, in general. My only contention was that I do think it's disingenuous in that, although they never actually CALL IT heads-up racing, the feeling (and, maybe this is just ME) is that they're presenting a show of heads-up, no breakout racing.... and, they're not. "All Out" would be a show with no breakout... and, we know that's not gonna happen, and we know why. Like I said, maybe this is the best they can do, and judging from the turn-away crowds, they must be doing something right... Who knows; maybe Rich Chrsitensen might go on to buy NHRA... somebody needs to. Thanks for listening. __________________ Bill Last edited by bill dedman; 08-19-2009 at 12:22 PM.

08-19-2009, 01:28 PM	#19
KJ JONES Racing Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Reseda, CA Posts: 28 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Stocker almost wins PINKS ALL OUT--Seattle For John (and someone already mentioned this), PINKS All-Out will be at Bakersfield in just a few weeks. The event sold out within' hours of the registration banks opening, several months ago. Bill...it has been a long time, my friend. You really have a strong (and somewhat negative) opinion about PINKS All-Out. I can't and won't try and change your opinion, but I do want you to know that I participated in the All-Out event in Las Vegas, and left with a very good impression about Rich Christensen's production, which really is NOT as smoke-and-mirrors as some folks unfortunately think. The bottom line is, TV is gonna be TV, and "real life" is what it is. Even the NHRA broadcasts I watch and events I attend have me on the edge of wanting to gag sometimes, when it becomes WAY too obvious that "the pros" are all that matter--to the sanction, and to the throngs who vacate the stands when Stock thru Comp are making their runs. As someone said earlier in this thread, in person, the PINKS programs bring out folks who don't need to be beer blasted, to enjoy, hoot and cheer, for cars running 10s, 11s and even 12s, in predominately side-by-side fashion. I wrote a piece for 5.0 Mustang & Super Fords magazine about my PINKS All-Out experience. Here's a link, if you'd like to check it out. Hope all is well, Bill. Maybe we'll run into each other again at some point. It has indeed been a long, long time. http://www.mustang50magazine.com/tec...out/index.html

08-19-2009, 03:47 PM	#20
Harry 6674 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 589 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Stocker almost wins PINKS ALL OUT--Seattle Stock and Superstock use to fill the stands the same way in the 60s and early 70s. I think we dialed in-under and out with the fans.