Factory experimental - Page 2

Dick Butler · 01-15-2009, 08:34 PM

I am afraid some are missing the writing on that wall. As always factoring will be under rated, under supervised and less efficiently performed than on the old cars currently running. Why? New cars new blood,in the race scene and news. Guys will give up beating on the 67 camaro, the darts or fords to build the " weakly factored" new stuff. This will dominate the news, the best engineered, best paint till some appropriate number are spread through out the country. THEN some one might notice a minor change in HP is needed, a boost gauge might be nice or a spec on inlet size. History just keeps repeating itself as a method of freshening up the pictures in dragster and the magazines. The 90s injection problems will look like a minor issue again.

Super Sport · 01-16-2009, 11:01 AM

You are now finding out the real reason AA/S and AA/SA classes were added to Stock. And you thought it was just so older Mopar and Vettes would have a place to race. For those who campaigned for the new class.......live with it. For others.......enjoy the new show because its going to get interesting.

Chad Rhodes · 01-16-2009, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Super Sport

You are now finding out the real reason AA/S and AA/SA classes were added to Stock. And you thought it was just so older Mopar and Vettes would have a place to race. For those who campaigned for the new class.......live with it. For others.......enjoy the new show because its going to get interesting.

and just how were we supposed to forsee this happening

Bruce Noland · 01-16-2009, 11:14 AM

Super Sport,

You must not have been paying attention when they announced the return of these classes. We started several threads about these classes being tied to Mother Mopar efforts.

442OLDS · 01-16-2009, 11:34 AM

This is just a personal opinion and only time will tell if I am correct,but the IHRA Crate Motor classes will eventually make their way over to NHRA.After all,the car being discusssed basically is a crate motor.The A/CM class is currently 6.00-6.49 weightbreak.That might eventually be converted to an AAA or AAAA class if the crate motors are combined into the "regular" classes.

Bruce Noland · 01-16-2009, 01:28 PM

Chuck,

How could I possibly confuse you with anybody else? I realize you are not racing these cars today but I'm not the only one who knows you have never been a fan of those cars.

Now back to the topic at hand.

442

Crate motors may run in Stock some day. It appears that all you have to do is have a pocket full of cold hard cash.

dwydendorf · 01-16-2009, 11:21 AM

When I started racing back in the 70's the first time I raced at the Nationals(now the Mac Tools U.S. Nationals), I raced in SS/U and there was a Pontiac wagon driven by Jack Mullins in the class. Later on in the 70's I raced in Modified Eliminator and in A/SM and Don Bowles had a Fairmont in the class. For those who don't remember or didn't know, these were both killer cars that went alot faster than anyone else in the class. A few years later, fast forward to the early 90's, I raced in SS/J and Dick Sherman was one of the fast guys and had alot more money than me. I had decided at that time that I would no longer run from anyone and just race in the class I wanted to. Sometime in the 90's Bobby Cunningham had a very fast SS/J Firebird and I decided to go to Indy anyway. Well the week before Indy he crashed the car at Bowling Green, very unfortunate for him but I got the class trophy at Indy(not the way I wanted to win a trophy). A few years later Charlie Westcott said he was going to race in GT/G at Indy but I went there and ran him anyway. Well, I was lucky once again. I have always been a low budget guy and not a fast qualifier but you can either suck it up and race, or cry and complain about the killer cars that have a performance edge on you. If you work hard enough and focus on your own program instead of somebody elses, you might get lucky too. Now they may have spent more money or gained an edge because of Nhra's factors, or just plain outworked you, or all of the above. Killer cars have been a part of the sport since I started racing and I don't see it changing anytime soon. Isn't that why they call it racing instead of winning?

Chuck Beach · 01-16-2009, 11:28 AM

Bruce,
It could have been 20 yrs for all I know, I don't know where you are getting your info, but I don't run against LT1's or LS1's anymore, they dont' fit in F or G. I don't recall being mega-complaining (whatever that means) about them either. You must be thinking of someone else ... I enjoy class racing and that's why I run stock. I am always up to the challenge. Not to take away from anyone else at Indy 2008, but I think B/SA and G/SA were the largest classes and the most challenging ... take a chill pill and let's see how these cars pan out over the next year (if anyone can afford to build one). AHFS will take care of the rest ... LOL

junior barns · 01-16-2009, 11:22 AM

My opinion, once these cars are let into stock they will never get factored out! Like someone posted earlier, AA/S and AA/SA will be a class just for these cars. If anybody wants to come play against
them with an old combo then jump in!! I dont like it and would vote against these cars to be allowed
in Stock!!

Jim Foley · 01-25-2009, 02:17 PM

463 posts with people upset over a car that has NEVER competed at an NHRA event. Be interesting to see how far this one goes after Pomona.

Jim Foley
STK1220

01-15-2009, 08:34 PM	#1
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Factory experimental I am afraid some are missing the writing on that wall. As always factoring will be under rated, under supervised and less efficiently performed than on the old cars currently running. Why? New cars new blood,in the race scene and news. Guys will give up beating on the 67 camaro, the darts or fords to build the " weakly factored" new stuff. This will dominate the news, the best engineered, best paint till some appropriate number are spread through out the country. THEN some one might notice a minor change in HP is needed, a boost gauge might be nice or a spec on inlet size. History just keeps repeating itself as a method of freshening up the pictures in dragster and the magazines. The 90s injection problems will look like a minor issue again.

01-16-2009, 11:01 AM	#2
Super Sport Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 73 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Factory experimental You are now finding out the real reason AA/S and AA/SA classes were added to Stock. And you thought it was just so older Mopar and Vettes would have a place to race. For those who campaigned for the new class.......live with it. For others.......enjoy the new show because its going to get interesting.

01-16-2009, 11:14 AM	#4
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: Factory experimental Super Sport, You must not have been paying attention when they announced the return of these classes. We started several threads about these classes being tied to Mother Mopar efforts. __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK

01-16-2009, 11:34 AM	#5
442OLDS VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Elgin,IL Posts: 1,339 Likes: 5 Liked 282 Times in 103 Posts	Re: Factory experimental This is just a personal opinion and only time will tell if I am correct,but the IHRA Crate Motor classes will eventually make their way over to NHRA.After all,the car being discusssed basically is a crate motor.The A/CM class is currently 6.00-6.49 weightbreak.That might eventually be converted to an AAA or AAAA class if the crate motors are combined into the "regular" classes.

01-16-2009, 01:28 PM	#6
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: Factory experimental Chuck, How could I possibly confuse you with anybody else? I realize you are not racing these cars today but I'm not the only one who knows you have never been a fan of those cars. Now back to the topic at hand. 442 Crate motors may run in Stock some day. It appears that all you have to do is have a pocket full of cold hard cash. __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK Last edited by Bruce Noland; 01-16-2009 at 01:30 PM.

01-16-2009, 11:21 AM	#7
dwydendorf Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: michigan Posts: 162 Likes: 251 Liked 19 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Factory experimental When I started racing back in the 70's the first time I raced at the Nationals(now the Mac Tools U.S. Nationals), I raced in SS/U and there was a Pontiac wagon driven by Jack Mullins in the class. Later on in the 70's I raced in Modified Eliminator and in A/SM and Don Bowles had a Fairmont in the class. For those who don't remember or didn't know, these were both killer cars that went alot faster than anyone else in the class. A few years later, fast forward to the early 90's, I raced in SS/J and Dick Sherman was one of the fast guys and had alot more money than me. I had decided at that time that I would no longer run from anyone and just race in the class I wanted to. Sometime in the 90's Bobby Cunningham had a very fast SS/J Firebird and I decided to go to Indy anyway. Well the week before Indy he crashed the car at Bowling Green, very unfortunate for him but I got the class trophy at Indy(not the way I wanted to win a trophy). A few years later Charlie Westcott said he was going to race in GT/G at Indy but I went there and ran him anyway. Well, I was lucky once again. I have always been a low budget guy and not a fast qualifier but you can either suck it up and race, or cry and complain about the killer cars that have a performance edge on you. If you work hard enough and focus on your own program instead of somebody elses, you might get lucky too. Now they may have spent more money or gained an edge because of Nhra's factors, or just plain outworked you, or all of the above. Killer cars have been a part of the sport since I started racing and I don't see it changing anytime soon. Isn't that why they call it racing instead of winning? __________________ ss/gt 93 t-bird Last edited by dwydendorf; 01-16-2009 at 01:24 PM.

01-16-2009, 11:28 AM	#8
Chuck Beach Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Delaware, Ohio Posts: 664 Likes: 12 Liked 58 Times in 13 Posts	Re: Factory experimental Bruce, It could have been 20 yrs for all I know, I don't know where you are getting your info, but I don't run against LT1's or LS1's anymore, they dont' fit in F or G. I don't recall being mega-complaining (whatever that means) about them either. You must be thinking of someone else ... I enjoy class racing and that's why I run stock. I am always up to the challenge. Not to take away from anyone else at Indy 2008, but I think B/SA and G/SA were the largest classes and the most challenging ... take a chill pill and let's see how these cars pan out over the next year (if anyone can afford to build one). AHFS will take care of the rest ... LOL __________________ Chuck Beach 3340 STK Last edited by Chuck Beach; 01-16-2009 at 11:37 AM.

01-16-2009, 11:22 AM	#9
junior barns Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 541 Likes: 11 Liked 20 Times in 14 Posts	Re: Factory experimental My opinion, once these cars are let into stock they will never get factored out! Like someone posted earlier, AA/S and AA/SA will be a class just for these cars. If anybody wants to come play against them with an old combo then jump in!! I dont like it and would vote against these cars to be allowed in Stock!!

01-25-2009, 02:17 PM	#10
Jim Foley Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 14 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Factory experimental 463 posts with people upset over a car that has NEVER competed at an NHRA event. Be interesting to see how far this one goes after Pomona. Jim Foley STK1220