65 Biscayne - Page 2

Alan Roehrich · 04-16-2008, 10:28 PM

I guess I could explain myself since I gave an answer. The way I'm figuring it, the 396-375 is a well developed combination. You have most of the parts. You could go to Arnold Greene, Mike Heintz, Darrell Wikle, Adger Smith, or Gary McGlasson with the parts you have and come away with a competitive engine. If you get to B weight, it shouldn't be any harder on parts than a B/S Camaro, and Kevin Helms does real well with one. Yes, the 396-375 is on the expensive side, but probably NOT more expensive than a 396-325. And likely to be easier to make more competitive.

james schaechter · 04-16-2008, 11:06 PM

TimQuigley ran a killer 66 Biscayne in O and P stick with a 283 4 speed. It was a great car! The 250 hp 327 looks good too. Go for the Jerico!

Rich Biebel · 04-17-2008, 07:00 AM

I was friends with Bill Izykowski when he raced a 427/425 Biscayne in B/S on 7" slicks. I sat in the passenger seat while we did burnouts one day for fun! Low 12's at the time. The long wheelbase helped as the cars were often a little sideways leaving the line. The shorter wheelbase cars like a Chevy II were even more of a handfull with a 396 on those same 7" tires.....

The Colonel · 04-17-2008, 08:16 AM

Thanks for all the replies. The stick would certainly be a blast, and probably save some $$$ when compared to building a lightweight th400 and converter set-ups. You really think I could get it down to B weight? Shipping weight is 3400# and change.
Nice picture....same color as my old 66 SS. Anybody figure out what the Holley carb# is all about fot the 325 combo? I only remember Holley on 425 h.p stuff.

Alan Roehrich · 04-17-2008, 08:39 AM

Getting to the bottom of B, 3442#, would be VERY tough, but might be possible, though pretty expensive. Everything would have to be light, chrome moly cage, aftermarket brakes, small fuel cell, ultra light wheels , etc. You'd need to weigh it like it is first, to see where you're at. If you set the engine and a transmission in the car and take it to the scales as it sits, and it weighs 3800#, then I doubt you could get it down. It's been forever since I weighed one of the big cars.

John Warehime · 04-17-2008, 09:40 AM

The 65 Bicayne/Belair, is competitive with 282-220 HP, in O/SA, or P/SA, (O/S, or P/S), but that's about it. Kevin Fogerty Sr., campaigns an Impala with a 283-220 HP, in P/SA, and Q/SA,and is very successfull. If you wish to restore it, as a 396/325 HP, I have a pair of correct casting cylinder heads in excellent condition. They also make a nice Nostalgia Superstock car. Good luck.

The Colonel · 04-17-2008, 01:48 PM

I will take that advice and have it weighed with the rally wheels that are on it now, and keep my fingers crossed; I'll post the results in a couple weeks. I already figured on lightweight front brakes and Bogarts or something like that.
Thanks for the offer Mr Warehime, I already have a set of 702's for the 325/396. I may need an intake though. The intake that comes with it is the Aluminum GM intake. What year did they start that intake?
I figured if it's not feaseable to make a competitive big block stocker, N/SS would be an option, as well as the new 12.0 index class that's become real popular lately. Atco gets on average 30 cars for that class.
You have all been a great help...Thanks Again!

Jack McCarthy · 04-17-2008, 02:13 PM

forget the holley... the qjet is bigger / faster... but if you insist on it i have the holley and intake

good luck
captain

The Colonel · 04-17-2008, 03:24 PM

Thanks for the info. What size was the Holley? 780?
Is that signature a little ribbing to my screen name, or have you always been The Captain?
I will probably need both the intake and carb, and any other help you may be willing to offer.
This is all new territory to me, but will probably be alot of fun.

Dwight Southerland · 04-17-2008, 04:36 PM

The Holley on the 396-325hp is a 600cfm carb. The Qjet is by far the best choice of the two carb-manifold choices. The intake is cast iron for both the Holley and Rochester carbs.

The '65 big car is not available with a 396-375hp engine. That was a Chevelle only combination. The full sized car and the Corvette were available with the 396-425hp engine that shares much the same specifications as the later 396-375hp engines, including the NHRA power rating. The '65 engine has slightly less camshaft lift (497/503 vs 520/520) than the later engines, so that must be taken into consideration.

You need to go here:
http://www.nhra.com/tech_specs/engin...ts/CHEV-65.rtf

Get familiar with all those specifications because that will answer a lot of your questions.

You will not be able to get the car to 3442 lbs with an iron head big block and a driver.

04-16-2008, 10:28 PM	#11
Alan Roehrich Veteran Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Posts: 5,105 Likes: 1,564 Liked 1,789 Times in 408 Posts	Re: 65 Biscayne I guess I could explain myself since I gave an answer. The way I'm figuring it, the 396-375 is a well developed combination. You have most of the parts. You could go to Arnold Greene, Mike Heintz, Darrell Wikle, Adger Smith, or Gary McGlasson with the parts you have and come away with a competitive engine. If you get to B weight, it shouldn't be any harder on parts than a B/S Camaro, and Kevin Helms does real well with one. Yes, the 396-375 is on the expensive side, but probably NOT more expensive than a 396-325. And likely to be easier to make more competitive. __________________ Alan Roehrich 212A G/S

04-16-2008, 11:06 PM	#12
james schaechter VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cumming GA Posts: 1,988 Likes: 1,281 Liked 1,428 Times in 296 Posts	Re: 65 Biscayne TimQuigley ran a killer 66 Biscayne in O and P stick with a 283 4 speed. It was a great car! The 250 hp 327 looks good too. Go for the Jerico! __________________ James Schaechter 3163 STK

04-17-2008, 07:00 AM	#13
Rich Biebel VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Northern New Jersey suburbs Posts: 2,314 Likes: 25 Liked 544 Times in 213 Posts	Re: 65 Biscayne I was friends with Bill Izykowski when he raced a 427/425 Biscayne in B/S on 7" slicks. I sat in the passenger seat while we did burnouts one day for fun! Low 12's at the time. The long wheelbase helped as the cars were often a little sideways leaving the line. The shorter wheelbase cars like a Chevy II were even more of a handfull with a 396 on those same 7" tires..... __________________ Rich Biebel S/C 1479 Stock 147R

04-17-2008, 08:16 AM	#14
The Colonel Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: New Joisey Exit 4 Posts: 8 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 65 Biscayne Thanks for all the replies. The stick would certainly be a blast, and probably save some $$$ when compared to building a lightweight th400 and converter set-ups. You really think I could get it down to B weight? Shipping weight is 3400# and change. Nice picture....same color as my old 66 SS. Anybody figure out what the Holley carb# is all about fot the 325 combo? I only remember Holley on 425 h.p stuff.

04-17-2008, 08:39 AM	#15
Alan Roehrich Veteran Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Posts: 5,105 Likes: 1,564 Liked 1,789 Times in 408 Posts	Re: 65 Biscayne Getting to the bottom of B, 3442#, would be VERY tough, but might be possible, though pretty expensive. Everything would have to be light, chrome moly cage, aftermarket brakes, small fuel cell, ultra light wheels , etc. You'd need to weigh it like it is first, to see where you're at. If you set the engine and a transmission in the car and take it to the scales as it sits, and it weighs 3800#, then I doubt you could get it down. It's been forever since I weighed one of the big cars. __________________ Alan Roehrich 212A G/S Last edited by Alan Roehrich; 04-17-2008 at 08:42 AM.

04-17-2008, 09:40 AM	#16
John Warehime Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 291 Likes: 0 Liked 2 Times in 1 Post	Re: 65 Biscayne The 65 Bicayne/Belair, is competitive with 282-220 HP, in O/SA, or P/SA, (O/S, or P/S), but that's about it. Kevin Fogerty Sr., campaigns an Impala with a 283-220 HP, in P/SA, and Q/SA,and is very successfull. If you wish to restore it, as a 396/325 HP, I have a pair of correct casting cylinder heads in excellent condition. They also make a nice Nostalgia Superstock car. Good luck.

04-17-2008, 01:48 PM	#17
The Colonel Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: New Joisey Exit 4 Posts: 8 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 65 Biscayne I will take that advice and have it weighed with the rally wheels that are on it now, and keep my fingers crossed; I'll post the results in a couple weeks. I already figured on lightweight front brakes and Bogarts or something like that. Thanks for the offer Mr Warehime, I already have a set of 702's for the 325/396. I may need an intake though. The intake that comes with it is the Aluminum GM intake. What year did they start that intake? I figured if it's not feaseable to make a competitive big block stocker, N/SS would be an option, as well as the new 12.0 index class that's become real popular lately. Atco gets on average 30 cars for that class. You have all been a great help...Thanks Again!

04-17-2008, 02:13 PM	#18
Jack McCarthy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: lyndon ky. ... louisville area Posts: 1,318 Likes: 28 Liked 459 Times in 113 Posts	Re: 65 Biscayne forget the holley... the qjet is bigger / faster... but if you insist on it i have the holley and intake good luck captain __________________ Jack McCarthy 3609 STK "the Captain"

04-17-2008, 03:24 PM	#19
The Colonel Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: New Joisey Exit 4 Posts: 8 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 65 Biscayne Thanks for the info. What size was the Holley? 780? Is that signature a little ribbing to my screen name, or have you always been The Captain? I will probably need both the intake and carb, and any other help you may be willing to offer. This is all new territory to me, but will probably be alot of fun.

04-17-2008, 04:36 PM	#20
Dwight Southerland VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Arkansas - In the middle of everything. Posts: 1,999 Likes: 64 Liked 772 Times in 192 Posts	Re: 65 Biscayne The Holley on the 396-325hp is a 600cfm carb. The Qjet is by far the best choice of the two carb-manifold choices. The intake is cast iron for both the Holley and Rochester carbs. The '65 big car is not available with a 396-375hp engine. That was a Chevelle only combination. The full sized car and the Corvette were available with the 396-425hp engine that shares much the same specifications as the later 396-375hp engines, including the NHRA power rating. The '65 engine has slightly less camshaft lift (497/503 vs 520/520) than the later engines, so that must be taken into consideration. You need to go here: http://www.nhra.com/tech_specs/engin...ts/CHEV-65.rtf Get familiar with all those specifications because that will answer a lot of your questions. You will not be able to get the car to 3442 lbs with an iron head big block and a driver.