National car counts - Page 2

Dave Ribeiro · 07-20-2010, 08:34 PM

Chip,

Don't forget the Snowmobiles & I agree with Billy .... Bring it on ...
I also heard Bruton is buying some more tracks & land ... NHRA, wants him to go away quickly, but he may start his own thing ?

Bob Emery · 07-20-2010, 08:52 PM

For what it's worth, at Seattle I attend Friday and Saturday to watch stock and super stock. Decided a few years back that Sunday was a waste of time, and have been going Friday and Saturday since.

I use the time with the .90 classes to cruise the pits.

Don Kennedy · 07-20-2010, 09:49 PM

Ed : unfortunately all Stock and Super Stock racers are the Movers and Shakers in their World and Community , Business and Church and for some reason we can never agree on any one goal ? lol at us

Mark Yacavone · 07-20-2010, 11:00 PM

"1. Drop the grading point crap."

Never happen, Daran

How else are they going to pull off the over priced / under paying divisional scam?

Ernie Neal · 07-21-2010, 06:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CFM

The Geico lizard shooting the tshirt cannon.

If NHRA would get smart they would loose these guys. I get tried of hearing them. Maybe use them once in a great while, but every national event. For what they pay these idiots, they could announce winning ticket numbers to receive a tee shirt. They would at least have everyones attention versus one section.
Ernie

chris3racing · 07-21-2010, 07:35 AM

This is a post I have been waiting to see. I had mentioned on other threads the empty seats in the last three National event races. If you have the events recorded both Saturday qualifing and Sunday finals, you can look back and see how few spectators there are on Sundays. I would like to see NHRA run some qualifying runs for Stock and Superstock on Saturday morning and then go in to the races. At Z-max, earlier this year, we went on Saturday and the pits were nearly empty and we only got to see a few cars run. I have noticed a lot of video of the "wheels up" Superstocker, placed at the very end of the commercials, when the show starts back. Not going to kill this post with the wrong comment, but most of these, not NHRA/IHRA races are drawing these crowds to see these "older cars" leave the starting line with the "wheels up." There are a lot of Superstockers making an appearance on the TV show Pass Time and, yes those guys do not know alot about the cars but they do get real excited and comment when a nice looking Stock/Superstock leaves the starting line with the wheels up.

I would really like to see the races opened up to "cars that show, pay at the gate and race." I do not have the time to travel around to all of the divisional races but I would like to race at Z-Max, the only NHRA track within a 6 hour drive of Raleigh.

Cars not showing at all, and it will have to be either alot or no cars at all, will be the only way that NHRA will understand what these Sportsman cars, the money and the people they bring with them, means to NHRA. Right now they have 15 to 16 cars in these fuel classes with only three Owners having the majority of the cars entered and they don't pay. The people that travel and make up these teams, along with the people who get "VIP" passes from these teams, neither pay to get in the race nor do they buy from concession stands. They have food and drinks available to them all day long.

The Pro Stock cars bring so many cars they have sometimes as many as 8 or 9 cars that do not even qualify and have to go home. They have the closest races of any of the cars. NHRA continues to shove these cars around and they, as a group, are going to do something. That will be interesting.

X-TECH MAN · 07-21-2010, 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Ribeiro

Chip,

Don't forget the Snowmobiles & I agree with Billy .... Bring it on ...
I also heard Bruton is buying some more tracks & land ... NHRA, wants him to go away quickly, but he may start his own thing ?

If Bruton would start his own deal Im afraid it would just be Pro's and circus acts. The sportsmen would be shut out. He is in it for the "Dog and Pony Show" and making $$$$$$. There is no loyality to the little guy.

W J · 07-21-2010, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by chris3racing

This is a post I have been waiting to see. I had mentioned on other threads the empty seats in the last three National event races. If you have the events recorded both Saturday qualifing and Sunday finals, you can look back and see how few spectators there are on Sundays. I would like to see NHRA run some qualifying runs for Stock and Superstock on Saturday morning and then go in to the races. At Z-max, earlier this year, we went on Saturday and the pits were nearly empty and we only got to see a few cars run. I have noticed a lot of video of the "wheels up" Superstocker, placed at the very end of the commercials, when the show starts back. Not going to kill this post with the wrong comment, but most of these, not NHRA/IHRA races are drawing these crowds to see these "older cars" leave the starting line with the "wheels up." There are a lot of Superstockers making an appearance on the TV show Pass Time and, yes those guys do not know alot about the cars but they do get real excited and comment when a nice looking Stock/Superstock leaves the starting line with the wheels up.

I would really like to see the races opened up to "cars that show, pay at the gate and race." I do not have the time to travel around to all of the divisional races but I would like to race at Z-Max, the only NHRA track within a 6 hour drive of Raleigh.

Cars not showing at all, and it will have to be either alot or no cars at all, will be the only way that NHRA will understand what these Sportsman cars, the money and the people they bring with them, means to NHRA. Right now they have 15 to 16 cars in these fuel classes with only three Owners having the majority of the cars entered and they don't pay. The people that travel and make up these teams, along with the people who get "VIP" passes from these teams, neither pay to get in the race nor do they buy from concession stands. They have food and drinks available to them all day long.

The Pro Stock cars bring so many cars they have sometimes as many as 8 or 9 cars that do not even qualify and have to go home. They have the closest races of any of the cars. NHRA continues to shove these cars around and they, as a group, are going to do something. That will be interesting.

chris3, The last 2 paragraphs of your post pretty much hit the nail right on the head....Pro Stock people at least stick together, stand up to, and won't be bullied by NHRA.... WJ

Daran Summerton · 07-21-2010, 02:20 PM

I did not mean to start a bitch session with this and hope someone with influence gets to read this. I am on a fixed income but there is the occasional side job I knock out and have some race $. I no longer have a 50 ft trailer because it was too much expense. Now I can hook up my open trailer and be on the interstate in about 20 minutes. OOpps no I can't because I forgot my online registration password and I think I missed the cutoff ?????? The cutoff should be making tech before the final qualifying session!!!!! I cannot say this will increase counts but it might help.

buzzinhalfdozen · 07-21-2010, 03:05 PM

Not being a long time NHRA racer I will say that in the past the quota system may have made sense. That being said, it's no longer the past. Like many corporations it takes time for the reality of the here and now to sink in then as we all know there is a knee jerk reaction to it. I've had no real issues with the system other than the preregistration, you never know if your stuff will still be raceable when the race actually happens. I always liked the IHRA deal... Show up pay your money and race. This year we've only attended 1 Nat. since it was in our backyard, doubtful on Indy, not that it's far but the amount of days plus the high entry fees make it not very appealing for us. Thanks to the local S-S/S combo races we can still go race and have fun without using all our vacation time for racing. Joe

07-20-2010, 08:34 PM	#11
Dave Ribeiro VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Williamsburg, Va.---USA Posts: 1,827 Likes: 1,612 Liked 56 Times in 27 Posts	Re: National car counts Chip, Don't forget the Snowmobiles & I agree with Billy .... Bring it on ... I also heard Bruton is buying some more tracks & land ... NHRA, wants him to go away quickly, but he may start his own thing ? __________________ Dave Ribeiro 1033 STK

07-20-2010, 08:52 PM	#12
Bob Emery Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Marysville, WA Posts: 90 Likes: 1 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: National car counts For what it's worth, at Seattle I attend Friday and Saturday to watch stock and super stock. Decided a few years back that Sunday was a waste of time, and have been going Friday and Saturday since. I use the time with the .90 classes to cruise the pits.

07-20-2010, 09:49 PM	#13
Don Kennedy VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Near Portland TN Posts: 1,557 Likes: 3,582 Liked 819 Times in 220 Posts	Re: National car counts Ed : unfortunately all Stock and Super Stock racers are the Movers and Shakers in their World and Community , Business and Church and for some reason we can never agree on any one goal ? lol at us __________________ Don Kennedy 7701 SS

07-20-2010, 11:00 PM	#14
Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,632 Likes: 2,747 Liked 4,800 Times in 1,824 Posts	Re: National car counts "1. Drop the grading point crap." Never happen, Daran How else are they going to pull off the over priced / under paying divisional scam? __________________ Real life never quite adds up.... Jay Farrar

07-21-2010, 07:35 AM	#16
chris3racing Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 528 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: National car counts This is a post I have been waiting to see. I had mentioned on other threads the empty seats in the last three National event races. If you have the events recorded both Saturday qualifing and Sunday finals, you can look back and see how few spectators there are on Sundays. I would like to see NHRA run some qualifying runs for Stock and Superstock on Saturday morning and then go in to the races. At Z-max, earlier this year, we went on Saturday and the pits were nearly empty and we only got to see a few cars run. I have noticed a lot of video of the "wheels up" Superstocker, placed at the very end of the commercials, when the show starts back. Not going to kill this post with the wrong comment, but most of these, not NHRA/IHRA races are drawing these crowds to see these "older cars" leave the starting line with the "wheels up." There are a lot of Superstockers making an appearance on the TV show Pass Time and, yes those guys do not know alot about the cars but they do get real excited and comment when a nice looking Stock/Superstock leaves the starting line with the wheels up. I would really like to see the races opened up to "cars that show, pay at the gate and race." I do not have the time to travel around to all of the divisional races but I would like to race at Z-Max, the only NHRA track within a 6 hour drive of Raleigh. Cars not showing at all, and it will have to be either alot or no cars at all, will be the only way that NHRA will understand what these Sportsman cars, the money and the people they bring with them, means to NHRA. Right now they have 15 to 16 cars in these fuel classes with only three Owners having the majority of the cars entered and they don't pay. The people that travel and make up these teams, along with the people who get "VIP" passes from these teams, neither pay to get in the race nor do they buy from concession stands. They have food and drinks available to them all day long. The Pro Stock cars bring so many cars they have sometimes as many as 8 or 9 cars that do not even qualify and have to go home. They have the closest races of any of the cars. NHRA continues to shove these cars around and they, as a group, are going to do something. That will be interesting.

07-21-2010, 02:20 PM	#19
Daran Summerton Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Las Vegas nv Posts: 599 Likes: 18 Liked 66 Times in 37 Posts	Re: National car counts I did not mean to start a bitch session with this and hope someone with influence gets to read this. I am on a fixed income but there is the occasional side job I knock out and have some race $. I no longer have a 50 ft trailer because it was too much expense. Now I can hook up my open trailer and be on the interstate in about 20 minutes. OOpps no I can't because I forgot my online registration password and I think I missed the cutoff ?????? The cutoff should be making tech before the final qualifying session!!!!! I cannot say this will increase counts but it might help.

07-21-2010, 03:05 PM	#20
buzzinhalfdozen Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bellevue Ohio Posts: 985 Likes: 0 Liked 12 Times in 9 Posts	Re: National car counts Not being a long time NHRA racer I will say that in the past the quota system may have made sense. That being said, it's no longer the past. Like many corporations it takes time for the reality of the here and now to sink in then as we all know there is a knee jerk reaction to it. I've had no real issues with the system other than the preregistration, you never know if your stuff will still be raceable when the race actually happens. I always liked the IHRA deal... Show up pay your money and race. This year we've only attended 1 Nat. since it was in our backyard, doubtful on Indy, not that it's far but the amount of days plus the high entry fees make it not very appealing for us. Thanks to the local S-S/S combo races we can still go race and have fun without using all our vacation time for racing. Joe __________________ Joe Buchanan SS/BX 3117