The Fall f the United States, The End

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Carguy49

WHAT is going on in this country that I LOVE????? I FEAR for the worst, but PRAY DAILY for the best. May God help this country before it is too late.

It is going to take a MIRACLE and when we all unite and PRAY it will happen.

What is happening is exactly what the Founders predicted would happen, when the people became debased, and immoral/amoral.


As an author of the Constitution said, "Our Constitution is designed to govern a moral and religious people, it is wholly unsuited to govern any other". An ever increasing segment of the population has become Godless and immoral/amoral. You are witnessing the result.


What you seek is the Bible verse used in the opening to the Charlie Daniels song "Take Back the USA"


2nd CHRONICLES 7:14


"If My people, which are called by My name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear them from Heaven, and I will forgive their sin, and heal their land."

[Eddies66]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

The record revenue comes from a healthy and growing economy. It's obvious. Look up the numbers. The tax rate being reduced does not necessarily reduce revenue, and in fact, reducing the tax rate, encouraging spending, investment, and production, usually increases the amount of revenue. Excessive taxation serves only to stagnate the economy, and discourage investment, production, and growth. It's a simple matter of human nature. That which you penalize is reduced. Taxation penalizes the creation of wealth. Excessive taxation kills it.

Trickle down economics, never worked! Tax breaks to the consumer means more spending which in turn grows the economy.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Eddies66

Trickle down economics, never worked! Tax breaks to the consumer means more spending which in turn grows the economy.

It worked under Kennedy, Reagan, and Trump.



The fact that increased spending increased the deficit and the debt does not refute that lower tax rates and fewer regulations improve the economy and increase tax revenue.





The idea that you can "give poor people money" and improve the economy is proven false, constantly. It doesn't even improve their position.


"Consumers" do not employ people. Producers employ people, making it possible for those who consume to have income to fund their consumption.


The top 50% of the tax payers pay 95% or so of the tax revenue. The top 10% pay almost 55%. Reducing the tax rate on those people encourages them to invest and spend more to increase their income, increasing their income increases revenue.


Further, corporations do not pay taxes. The increased cost of doing business caused by higher tax rates is merely passed on to the consumer in the form of higher prices, and drives production out of the country, killing jobs.


Read Sowell, Freidman, and Laffer. Keynes and Krugman are as disproven as Marx.

[Carguy49]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

What you seek is the Bible verse used in the opening to the Charlie Daniels song "Take Back the USA"


2nd Corinthians 7:14


"If My people, which are called by My name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear them from Heaven, and I will forgive their sin, and heal their land."

Alan, I am a little confused, as I checked my mother's King James version of the Bible and the quote from that song and the indicated scripture don't match. Can you explain??

[Greg Reimer 7376]

I think the address for that verse is II Chronicles 7:14. It's a majestic text with an epic promise.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Greg Reimer 7376

I think the address for that verse is II Chronicles 7:14. It's a majestic text with an epic promise.

Correct.


I was distracted, and made an egregious error.


And yes, it is absolutely majestic, and the epic promise is one that aligns with the belief of the Founding Fathers that the Republic is favored with Divine Providence, from the Creator.

[Carguy49]

Thanks for the answer. Alan you just made a human error. We all do those from time to time. God Bless.

[Eddies66]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

It worked under Kennedy, Reagan, and Trump.



The fact that increased spending increased the deficit and the debt does not refute that lower tax rates and fewer regulations improve the economy and increase tax revenue.






The idea that you can "give poor people money" and improve the economy is proven false, constantly. It doesn't even improve their position.


"Consumers" do not employ people. Producers employ people, making it possible for those who consume to have income to fund their consumption.


The top 50% of the tax payers pay 95% or so of the tax revenue. The top 10% pay almost 55%. Reducing the tax rate on those people encourages them to invest and spend more to increase their income, increasing their income increases revenue.


Further, corporations do not pay taxes. The increased cost of doing business caused by higher tax rates is merely passed on to the consumer in the form of higher prices, and drives production out of the country, killing jobs.


Read Sowell, Freidman, and Laffer. Keynes and Krugman are as disproven as Marx.

Wrong, Cutting taxes for the wealthy often does not translate to increased rates of employment, consumer spending, and government revenues in the long term. Instead, cutting taxes for middle- and lower-income earners will drive the economy through the trickle-up phenomenon. The added income for the wealthy, resulting from tax cuts, will simply increase the growing income inequality in the United States.

Trump and Reagan used it and both tripled the debt.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Eddies66

Wrong, Cutting taxes for the wealthy often does not translate to increased rates of employment, consumer spending, and government revenues in the long term. Instead, cutting taxes for middle- and lower-income earners will drive the economy through the trickle-up phenomenon. The added income for the wealthy, resulting from tax cuts, will simply increase the growing income inequality in the United States.

Trump and Reagan used it and both tripled the debt.

Again, you gleefully ignore the spending.



NEVER has any form of giving the "lower income" segment any money resulted in economic progress.


The FIRST problem with your baseless theory is that the bottom 40% barely pay ANY federal income taxes of any kind. At most, they pay some federal taxes such as those on fuels. Quite literally, the biggest burdens on "lower classes" are the result of high tax rates on corporations, which substantially increase the cost of goods and services, and the burden of inflation, driven by the government not only spending, but drastically increasing the debt, and quite literally inventing money out of thin air, reducing the value of money in circulation.



If you want to give them a break, reduce the taxes charged to those who make the goods they purchase, thereby reducing the cost of the goods they require to survive. And increasing the amount of production done within the borders, increasing their chance at higher wages.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Eddies66

Wrong, Cutting taxes for the wealthy often does not translate to increased rates of employment, consumer spending, and government revenues in the long term. Instead, cutting taxes for middle- and lower-income earners will drive the economy through the trickle-up phenomenon. The added income for the wealthy, resulting from tax cuts, will simply increase the growing income inequality in the United States.

Trump and Reagan used it and both tripled the debt.

In addition, you're completely wrong, on ALL counts, and the most recent economic history proves that. Not only did the Trump tax cuts produce RECORD federal tax revenue, far above that of the previous higher tax rates, it also created economic growth that created the lowest recorded unemployment levels of recent recorded history, including record lows in minority unemployment. Not to mention, under Trump, the wage and wealth growth rate for the middle class exceeded that of the higher class for the first time in decades.