TruSTART looks to level the playing field. - Page 15

bill dedman · 02-17-2016, 05:42 PM

I applauud your personal ethics, Mr. 4406 Mopar, whoever you are.

Dave Conkey · 02-20-2016, 12:29 AM

Ok, I read all of this and it makes my head hurt!! I like the theory of tru-start... well kinda!
Can we all agree racing is gambling using our cars right?? So wouldn't it be a better move if this tru-start deal does come to all of handicapped racing to change it up a tad further and not use a red or green light at all. Hear me out here..
Not having a red or green light you will still race to win whether its taking or giving the stripe or whatever bracket racing shenanagans you use and put your best effort into every round. If you or both of you red light you find out when you see or don't see your win light come on and you get your time slip. By doing it this way we are truly GAMBLING on the race and our driving ability. This will end the red light coming on after the slower driver sees a confusing light coming on when they leave the line, or a light coming on when the faster car leaves. This is just crazy to me!!
I remember days of old bracket racing at National Trails and having to pay a dollar for them to write the reaction time on the time card. its was a tool to help guys who lost all the time figure out why they were not winning.
I say if tru-start comes to be then lets embrace it, learn from it, and be better racers for it!!

Larry Hill · 02-20-2016, 08:27 AM

It's about selling tech cards.

Mickey Whaley · 02-20-2016, 09:50 AM

I think blackjack should be the same way if I get 22 I'm only one over talk to vegas for me

Dick Butler · 02-20-2016, 12:55 PM

Unfortunately there will always be the perception of "someone else has an advantage"
This tru start does not change the fact the slow car has to start first, possibly make the red light first. It does not prevent the fast car from controlling the race with the throttle or brake.( some might complain the slow car can do the same)
In the spirit of the break out win to the least amount "out", it seems perfectly reasonable that the win should go to the "least red" if it happens. (statistically low number). Display of the results to the racer after the finish line seems most reasonable. Bigger lane lights on the guard rail would be reasonable and Score board Win light for spectators...
For those who have worried so much about the "fairness" of current method maybe this would quiet their fear of it happening. (despite the facts of low rate of it happening)
This would help Heads up racing too.

NHRA1926 · 02-20-2016, 06:33 PM

How about just using an instant green light system? No amber lights at all. Would that not alleviate 99% of all red light starts and make it fair for all competitors?

RON NICKELS · 02-20-2016, 07:04 PM

NHRA 1926,LOL,yes there would be no redlites unless a driver left early lol,but you forget 1 thing reaction times vary between car and driver .A dragster and drivers reaction time is faster than a slower car and slower cars drivers reaction time,unless slower car is deep stagged .This would give the harder leaving car a advantage on reaction time which in most cases wins the race.The race would be a race too get the deepest without knocking out the stage bulb lol,

HAMMER

4406mopar · 02-20-2016, 08:55 PM

This notion that it would only change 1% of the races is silly. Change to truestart and then we will see the real number, because now the system is flawed with the red bulb coming on for the slower car.

Mile High · 02-21-2016, 08:56 AM

I predict that by the 2018 season Trustart will be implemented NHRA/IHRA wide. Not just bracket racing. Long over due.

Jeff

cicero819 · 02-21-2016, 09:40 AM

Re: worst red light debate, again!Check this previous post, over 41.000 looks. Basicallywas well debated with Mark Yaccavone winning the debate.

02-17-2016, 05:42 PM	#141
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: TruSTART looks to level the playing field. I applauud your personal ethics, Mr. 4406 Mopar, whoever you are. __________________ Bill

02-20-2016, 12:29 AM	#142
Dave Conkey Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 25 Likes: 1 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: TruSTART looks to level the playing field. Ok, I read all of this and it makes my head hurt!! I like the theory of tru-start... well kinda! Can we all agree racing is gambling using our cars right?? So wouldn't it be a better move if this tru-start deal does come to all of handicapped racing to change it up a tad further and not use a red or green light at all. Hear me out here.. Not having a red or green light you will still race to win whether its taking or giving the stripe or whatever bracket racing shenanagans you use and put your best effort into every round. If you or both of you red light you find out when you see or don't see your win light come on and you get your time slip. By doing it this way we are truly GAMBLING on the race and our driving ability. This will end the red light coming on after the slower driver sees a confusing light coming on when they leave the line, or a light coming on when the faster car leaves. This is just crazy to me!! I remember days of old bracket racing at National Trails and having to pay a dollar for them to write the reaction time on the time card. its was a tool to help guys who lost all the time figure out why they were not winning. I say if tru-start comes to be then lets embrace it, learn from it, and be better racers for it!!

02-20-2016, 08:27 AM	#143
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,644 Likes: 1,941 Liked 10,739 Times in 2,234 Posts	Re: TruSTART looks to level the playing field. It's about selling tech cards. __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817

02-20-2016, 09:50 AM	#144
Mickey Whaley VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,220 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: TruSTART looks to level the playing field. I think blackjack should be the same way if I get 22 I'm only one over talk to vegas for me

02-20-2016, 12:55 PM	#145
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: TruSTART looks to level the playing field. Unfortunately there will always be the perception of "someone else has an advantage" This tru start does not change the fact the slow car has to start first, possibly make the red light first. It does not prevent the fast car from controlling the race with the throttle or brake.( some might complain the slow car can do the same) In the spirit of the break out win to the least amount "out", it seems perfectly reasonable that the win should go to the "least red" if it happens. (statistically low number). Display of the results to the racer after the finish line seems most reasonable. Bigger lane lights on the guard rail would be reasonable and Score board Win light for spectators... For those who have worried so much about the "fairness" of current method maybe this would quiet their fear of it happening. (despite the facts of low rate of it happening) This would help Heads up racing too.

02-20-2016, 06:33 PM	#146
NHRA1926 Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Bowling green, Ky Posts: 241 Likes: 12 Liked 231 Times in 69 Posts	Re: TruSTART looks to level the playing field. How about just using an instant green light system? No amber lights at all. Would that not alleviate 99% of all red light starts and make it fair for all competitors?

02-20-2016, 07:04 PM	#147
RON NICKELS Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 28 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: TruSTART looks to level the playing field. NHRA 1926,LOL,yes there would be no redlites unless a driver left early lol,but you forget 1 thing reaction times vary between car and driver .A dragster and drivers reaction time is faster than a slower car and slower cars drivers reaction time,unless slower car is deep stagged .This would give the harder leaving car a advantage on reaction time which in most cases wins the race.The race would be a race too get the deepest without knocking out the stage bulb lol, HAMMER Last edited by RON NICKELS; 02-20-2016 at 07:08 PM.

02-20-2016, 08:55 PM	#148
4406mopar Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 233 Likes: 168 Liked 120 Times in 53 Posts	Re: TruSTART looks to level the playing field. This notion that it would only change 1% of the races is silly. Change to truestart and then we will see the real number, because now the system is flawed with the red bulb coming on for the slower car.

02-21-2016, 08:56 AM	#149
Mile High Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: My RV Posts: 218 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: TruSTART looks to level the playing field. I predict that by the 2018 season Trustart will be implemented NHRA/IHRA wide. Not just bracket racing. Long over due. Jeff __________________ Street legal 64 Falcon Sprint with 410W living in Texas. Stock - Super Stock fan

02-21-2016, 09:40 AM	#150
cicero819 VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Aylmer Quebec, Canada Posts: 1,086 Likes: 31 Liked 69 Times in 30 Posts	Re: TruSTART looks to level the playing field. Re: worst red light debate, again!Check this previous post, over 41.000 looks. Basicallywas well debated with Mark Yaccavone winning the debate.