"WHAT IF" part 4

[Lynn A McCarty]

Chuck's article dead on, and I saw no "leftist" spin! Keep up the good work Chuck. When you start to spin left, we will all be watching.

Terry,

I 100% support the combining of classes, 1.0 weight brakes where ever it makes sense combining automatics and sticks, too. It can be done. I was at the Dutch classic year before last and there were a bunch of GTDA cars. It was way cool.

Art,

Even though it is impossible to be perfect, why wouldnt we strive for a level playing field? Isnt that the whole point?

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

You forgot Mike Carr in Div. 1 Penn. area.

Ok so now there's 14, and if Art Leong still has his Stocker, 15. Any others??? There probably would be more if manufactures sustained product creation like they did back in the 80's & 90's...example; Hooker used to make headers for the 173c.i. V6 engine (for Chevy Citations) , but they don't now...thus I have to get custom made headers (that cost 2-3x's what they once cost as a regular part back then), in order to have them! That sucks!!

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Lynn A McCarty

Chuck's article dead on, and I saw no "leftist" spin! Keep up the good work Chuck. When you start to spin left, we will all be watching.

Terry,

I 100% support the combining of classes, 1.0 weight brakes where ever it makes sense combining automatics and sticks, too. It can be done. I was at the Dutch classic year before last and there were a bunch of GTDA cars. It was way cool.

Art,

Even though it is impossible to be perfect, why wouldnt we strive for a level playing field? Isnt that the whole point?

Lynn if they combine classes where would my car SS/GS fit in your train of thought? What would you combine me with? R/SA I'm sure the guys in that class would not like it one bit
.Or Would you just say "have a nice day, now get lost"?
In a performance based eliminator it is impossible to have a completely level playing field (unless you just run heavy elim)
Years of racing and rule changes have leveled it quite a bit.
Ihra has way more classes than nhra so why not bash them the way you bash nhra. Or is that politically incorrect?

[Jim Wahl]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

Might go with ONE pound wt breaks instead of 1/2 lb breaks to further reduce the number of classes in both stock and super stock. Have to add a 6 and 7 lb wt break for the GT S/Sers to give the Hemi, T-Bolts, and Hi HP Corvettes some competition. The slight wt. break might work well to combine GT and traditional Super stockers????? Maybe some wt. break for the lower class automatic stockers and super stockers also. The main thing is there are way to many classes. The manufactures cannot pay for class win for all these different classes in this economy. Why do you think that a class win money has been going down and it isnt worth much even at Indy? All would still run the eliminator on Sunday anyway....not just class winners. Just thinking out loud. One question.....How many FWD cars exist today across the country anyway????

How many FWD cars exist across the country? By my count 42 in Stock that compete at at least one points or national event per year. I as well as Art are sick and tired of people like you Terry who think if it isn't powered by a big or small block Chevy, it isn't a race car. Maybe that's why you are an X-Techman, YOU have your own agenda maybe? Jim

[tim worner]

One of the reasons,I believe, the sanctioning bodies have slipped away from the sportsman racer and real performance in the classes is they were once an organization built by racers for the racers. We now have alot of people making rules ect. about racing that know nothing about racing. I would hope that anything new for us goes back to the racer for the racer format. All the input here should be by the people that it will directly affect. Just my 2 cents.

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by Jim Wahl

How many FWD cars exist across the country? By my count 42 in Stock that compete at at least one points or national event per year. I as well as Art are sick and tired of people like you Terry who think if it isn't powered by a big or small block Chevy, it isn't a race car. Maybe that's why you are an X-Techman, YOU have your own agenda maybe? Jim

Jim, I'm with you and Art on the above comments...they give me more motivation to beat those very type of race cars when I can, and lately I've had my share of fun moments. However my most memorable two are :

1. The Camaro racer who raced me in the first round of the '98 Mile High's...he caught me around the 800-1000ft mark, and clicked his motor off so as to coast across the finish line ahead of me. However, the big Winston Vision screen showed me pulling on him because I refused to lift just because he passed me, and I took the stripe by .003!!! I wonder how much crow that guy was eating the rest of that day???

2. Even though Ryan McClanahan & Scott Burton were the finalist's at the '06 Mile High's, it was my fwd Cavalier that had the best package of eliminations (.006), by virtue of running a 16.664 on my 16.66 index/dial, and having a .002rt against my friend Tony Hernandez's '65 Corvette 327V8 11sec. machine. I wish I could rewind my race with Ryan in the quarters, because I had a perfect cool down for my car after the race with Tony, but I was starting to feel light-headed and needed water. Much to my dismay, just as I drove the 1/2 mile back to the north-40 of Bandimere, they called me to the lanes and I warmed my plenum too much, which slowed the car down .13. I know that some who read this will say that excuses are like ..........., but since he crossed the line only .014 over his dial, and came by me pretty fast, I'm certain I would've broke him out if I stayed cooler...I wish for a rematch!!!

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Jim Wahl

How many FWD cars exist across the country? By my count 42 in Stock that compete at at least one points or national event per year. I as well as Art are sick and tired of people like you Terry who think if it isn't powered by a big or small block Chevy, it isn't a race car. Maybe that's why you are an X-Techman, YOU have your own agenda maybe? Jim

Your statement isnt really worth a response but I will try to be civil and say I like 428 Fords,Max Wedges, and Hemi's better anyway.. Since I dont race anymore just HOW could I have an agenda. I only asked how many FWD cars were running in the country. I really dont care how sick you or Art are of hearing me. Dont read my posts if you dont like what you read. I was trying to figure out how the FWD would fit in and have a better chance at a win. With guys with attitudes like yours I really dont give a s##t anymore. NHRA will do you guys in in a couple of years anyway.

[Jim Wahl]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

Your statement isnt really worth a response but I will try to be civil and say I like 428 Fords,Max Wedges, and Hemi's better anyway.. Since I dont race anymore just HOW could I have an agenda. I only asked how many FWD cars were running in the country. I really dont care how sick you or Art are of hearing me. Dont read my posts if you dont like what you read. I was trying to figure out how the FWD would fit in and have a better chance at a win. With guys with attitudes like yours I really dont give a s##t anymore. NHRA will do you guys in in a couple of years anyway.

Your last two sentences proved my point Terry, thanks. Jim

[Ed Fernandez]

It's getting a little personal now.Maybe it's time to put a fork in it.

Ed F.
Just an innocent bystander

[Jim Wahl]

You know Terry I avoid calling anyone a liar at all costs, so I will just let others make up their own minds on this one. So you are just out for FWD competitors own good huh? Make it easier for them to win you say? Then why did you post this in the H.A.M.B. forum? Hummmm?

"Well it sounds good for old guys like us and I started the "Pure stock" class in IHRA years ago when I worked for them for 22 years with basicly the same rules except unfortunatly its open for the newer cars also. There is so much bitching and complaining any more that Im having my doubts that I will continue with a sportsman association. If it does come to be then the "pure stock" class will be included with a name change to "Jr. Stock" and maybe limit the year to 1971 max. Right now the catagory starts at 8 lbs per HP and goes 15 lbs per HP in full lb breaks (8, 9, 10, 11, etc.. If you read the comments on the racers forum then you know what I'm talking about. The FWD (slugs) cars a joke when it comes to spectator intrest."

Thank you once again for proving my point Terry. I think I speak for all FWD competitors, Please,don't do us any favors. Insert fork now. Jim