Mustang MPH? - Page 12

bigshow2966 · 02-26-2009, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Big Show,

Actually that is nhra's job, but they have no facts about this car. Mostly because the FRP folks don't want nhra to know about the real numbers on the CJ motor. A 9.78 on their second effort might set off a few alarms.

NHRA is acting on the numbers they have been presented. Until any of the Mustangs violate the AHFS nothing will happen, and none of them have.

Jeff Lee · 02-26-2009, 07:46 PM

Can't believe after 113 posts and 12,300+ views that nobody would offer an official answer so I went to the source to answer my lingering question about who builds the CJ500.
I called Shelby Autos in Las Vegas today. At one time (1965-1967) Shelbys were built and sold by Shelby American. You didn't buy a Mustang, you bought a Shelby. That is what I thought was still in practice. Wrong. Today, you buy a Mustang which is licensed to wear the Shelby name and identification along with the official licensed add-ons (body panels, performance parts, etc.).
So I rest my argument that the CJ500 is a stripped Shelby, not a Mustang (or whatever the heck my argument was...

)

I still believe a hand-crafted kit-car belongs in Superstock since they are not sold for public highway useage. But it's NHRA's rulebook that allows "acceptance will not allow precedence". Geez, with wording like that, why have a rule book?

Bruce Noland · 02-26-2009, 07:48 PM

Big Show,

I do remember the swift change you made to the so called NASCAR Hemi. Mopar wanted it in at 410 and you changed it to 430..right? Not sure if you had any arrangements with Mopar at that time or what information you recieved from them. Have you asked for any realistic performance data from Ford Racing Parts? Like dyno sheets? You have made a complete laughing stock out of the ahfs so don't expect any of us to have any faith in that old sham. What ya gonna do when these cars are turned loose? That is if you are still in business when they decide to do it.

GUMP · 02-26-2009, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Big Show,

I do remember the swift change you made to the so called NASCAR Hemi. Mopar wanted it in at 410 and you changed it to 430..right? Not sure if you had any arrangements with Mopar at that time or what information you recieved from them. Have you asked for any realistic performance data from Ford Racing Parts? Like dyno sheets? You have made a complete laughing stock out of the ahfs so don't expect any of us to have any faith in that old sham. What ya gonna do when these cars are turned loose? That is if you are still in business when they decide to do it.

I know that you are the moderator, but maybe you should move this conversation to a PM.

Colin Wigle · 02-26-2009, 08:58 PM

Gump

You have shown that you have been the moderator throughout all of the CJ debates. not being sarcastic. you seem to be able to sort the positives and negatives while not letting your emotions take control of your words.

thank you

Bruce Noland · 02-26-2009, 08:58 PM

Gump,

Why should my freedom of speech be limited because I'm a moderator?

Cwigle,

Gump is pro CJs. Does that make a difference?

Colin Wigle · 02-26-2009, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Gump,

Why should my freedom of speech be limited because I'm a moderator?

Cwigle,

Gump is pro CJs. Does that make a difference?

No difference, his words seem calm and collected thats all.

Bruce Noland · 02-26-2009, 09:34 PM

cwigle,

Gump has had his moments during these debates. Nobody can get into these drawn out threads without getting a little steamed from time to time. Myself included.

I'm willing to let the chips fall where they may. The word is out there now. We'll see what the future holds for these cars.

Thanks

GUMP · 02-26-2009, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Gump is pro CJs. Does that make a difference?

Actually, in regards to both the Cobra Jet and the Challenger, I love the cars, but am not keen on the powerplants. Many posts ago (and maybe even in another thread) I actually stated that. I would love to see cars like these with production 6.0-6.2 liter N/A motors. But, I also know that Ford doesn't really have a credible big inch N/A motor available (yet?). So, I am happy to see the S/C Cobra Jets draw attention to the class and maybe keep the Cobra Jet/Challenger type packages coming.
If I am pro anything it would be class racing in general. When I was a kid I was the one that used to write the NHRA and ask dumb questions about racing a GTO in Stock Eliminator. Funny thing is I always got a written reply.

George Wright · 02-26-2009, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by bsa633

I dont think anyone can..or should i say "could have" bought them..sure looked like a "closed" deal to me.

It's not to late ro order a 2010 Cobra Jet. http://www.fordracingparts.com/mustang/herocard10.asp.

02-26-2009, 07:46 PM	#112
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Mustang MPH? Can't believe after 113 posts and 12,300+ views that nobody would offer an official answer so I went to the source to answer my lingering question about who builds the CJ500. I called Shelby Autos in Las Vegas today. At one time (1965-1967) Shelbys were built and sold by Shelby American. You didn't buy a Mustang, you bought a Shelby. That is what I thought was still in practice. Wrong. Today, you buy a Mustang which is licensed to wear the Shelby name and identification along with the official licensed add-ons (body panels, performance parts, etc.). So I rest my argument that the CJ500 is a stripped Shelby, not a Mustang (or whatever the heck my argument was... ) I still believe a hand-crafted kit-car belongs in Superstock since they are not sold for public highway useage. But it's NHRA's rulebook that allows "acceptance will not allow precedence". Geez, with wording like that, why have a rule book? __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX

02-26-2009, 07:48 PM	#113
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: Mustang MPH? Big Show, I do remember the swift change you made to the so called NASCAR Hemi. Mopar wanted it in at 410 and you changed it to 430..right? Not sure if you had any arrangements with Mopar at that time or what information you recieved from them. Have you asked for any realistic performance data from Ford Racing Parts? Like dyno sheets? You have made a complete laughing stock out of the ahfs so don't expect any of us to have any faith in that old sham. What ya gonna do when these cars are turned loose? That is if you are still in business when they decide to do it. __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK

02-26-2009, 08:58 PM	#115
Colin Wigle Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 50 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Mustang MPH? Gump You have shown that you have been the moderator throughout all of the CJ debates. not being sarcastic. you seem to be able to sort the positives and negatives while not letting your emotions take control of your words. thank you

02-26-2009, 08:58 PM	#116
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: Mustang MPH? Gump, Why should my freedom of speech be limited because I'm a moderator? Cwigle, Gump is pro CJs. Does that make a difference? __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK

02-26-2009, 09:34 PM	#118
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: Mustang MPH? cwigle, Gump has had his moments during these debates. Nobody can get into these drawn out threads without getting a little steamed from time to time. Myself included. I'm willing to let the chips fall where they may. The word is out there now. We'll see what the future holds for these cars. Thanks __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK Last edited by Bruce Noland; 02-26-2009 at 09:52 PM.