stockers

[Gary Parker]

Lately it has come to my attention that not all stockers are running by the rules. Engines not legal, tranys not right and electronics not right. If you are NOT running by the rules I have 2 words for you... F... you. All of us that run by the rules ,spend to much money and work to hard to have people just run what you bring to the track.... Shame on all of you. Your only cheating yourself. If you can not run legal, go to another class. Just think being beat by a person not legal....Not right at all.

[Mark Yacavone]

Gary, I have no doubt that you are correct here.
The part about engines could have been written 50 years ago. In fact, if was ,if you read SS&DI back then .
Maybe someone could be more specific about the transmissions and electronics.
Maybe some of these folks are just "confused".
This could be very enlightening.

[doglover44]

Makes you wonder how many are out there running not legal and getting away scot free.

[HR9121]

I wonder sometimes myself but I'm more inclined to think the number of people blatantly cheating is very low. Atleast I hope I'm right anyway. I think there are a few that may be a little outside of the rules and don't realize it but it's up to the racer to know the rules.
I've never got too upset about it but there was a time I would see quite a few running wrong spoiler package or grill and it didn't really bother me that much although I had went through alot of trouble to have mine right. Then a few years ago after I had a little success someone called Glendora after I my runner-up at Charlotte complaining that I didn't have my fog lights in the grill. I was like you got to be ****ting me! As far as I knew it was an option and I can tell you there was no performance advantage lol.

[rboyle]

Originally Posted by HR9121

I wonder sometimes myself but I'm more inclined to think the number of people blatantly cheating is very low. Atleast I hope I'm right anyway. I think there are a few that may be a little outside of the rules and don't realize it but it's up to the racer to know the rules.
I've never got too upset about it but there was a time I would see quite a few running wrong spoiler package or grill and it didn't really bother me that much although I had went through alot of trouble to have mine right. Then a few years ago after I had a little success someone called Glendora after I my runner-up at Charlotte complaining that I didn't have my fog lights in the grill. I was like you got to be ****ting me! As far as I knew it was an option and I can tell you there was no performance advantage lol.

I think most abide by the rules and are legal according to the rules in place.

[FireSale]

Cheating was invented by the looser of the first drag race. The winner invented the protest.

Pun aside, I think there is a lot of integrity in Class racing. The Stock/SS racers I know out here take great pains to maintain legal engines and drive trains. They keep their Class cars under cover and have built bracket cars for week to week racing.

[oldskool]

No skin in the game.

But very interested in this.

I was just discussing the possibility of building a Stocker wagon, to maybe run 1 or 2 of the division 4 races. When the subject of the rear end came up, several said that if they knew my rear end was even just an inch or 2 shorter than what came in the car when it was new, they would protest me immediately.

Since that time I've learned a little more about it. One thing I've learned is that there has been some form of acid porting of heads & intakes, for MANY years. Most everybody knows that many of the older combinations could not possibly flow enuff air to run the rpm & make the big power they make nowadays, with absolutely factory stock ports. Apparently, NHRA decided at some point that they either could not, or would not police this.

Since there is no cam duration limit or spring pressure limit, I'm really interested in what most of these engine cheaters are doing. Are we talkin strokers--way too many cubes ? Or maybe illegal pistons which produce lots more compression ? Aluminum rods & a lighter rotating assembly ?

I assume that checking for the correct heads, intake, & legal carb are pretty easy for most any tech guy. So, just wondering what most of the engine cheaters are doing that's not legal ???

Sorry for the dummy questions. But, if you don't know, one of the best ways to learn is by asking those who DO know, IMO.

Thanks in advance to all who will have enuff patience to help me understand these details.

PS: I understand about the spending lots of money & time to build a quick & legal car. So, I don't need to hear any more about that, please.

[Bobby Brannon]

Any time any of my cars can be checked. My A/SA 427 was checked at Dallas a couples of weeks ago. My 15 car 4 times last year. I have nothing to hide. Come see. How many can say this. Chime in please.

[Tim H]

Originally Posted by Bobby Brannon

Any time any of my cars can be checked. My A/SA 427 was checked at Dallas a couples of weeks ago. My 15 car 4 times last year. I have nothing to hide. Come see. How many can say this. Chime in please.

That's great, because your cars run very well ! I remember when Bobby DeArmond's car was torn down at Mission after the first legal 9 second stocker pass and everything laid out on a table for all to see. Pistons out, pan off etc ... so there would be no doubt about legality. NHRA tech certified it and it was recorded on Pfister's "4 Days in May" video.
Awesome

[Paul Wong]

Originally Posted by Bobby Brannon

Any time any of my cars can be checked. My A/SA 427 was checked at Dallas a couples of weeks ago. My 15 car 4 times last year. I have nothing to hide. Come see. How many can say this. Chime in please.

My problem is they tear the same guys down all the time. I get I’m number one at Indy, That I’m asking for it. But to get me at minimum every other time and 3 times in a year at times, their effort could be used more wisely than hitting the same guys over and over. Maybe it’s simplicity that they know we will comply tear down and pass, but that seems to undermine what tear down was when I started in the late 80s

I have had many conversations with people in the “barn” about the fact that there are plenty of people that have raced for 20 years and never been down.