Black Tuesday?

[Marvin Robinson]

SS Engine Guy has nailed the heart of the problem... If NHRA is going to continue to factor (which I think is a good way to equalize the cars, given the CORRECT factors for each combo), they need to man up and get it done right to eliminate "sweet" combinations and take the penalties that exist for some off the table. (428 Pontiac gets less hp than 455 with same heads and cam??? 455 Olds gets same hp with or without RamAir??? - soft factors for Ford CJ and some smallblock Chevy combos?? there are other examples, but you get the point)

They also need to be more responsive to input from respected racers... maybe a REAL S/SS consulting board consisting of a half dozen or so racers/builders in each division?? You can let the racers vote on thier own representatives, then let the tech directors and racer's advisory board hash this stuff out. I know some of this is supposed to be going on already, but the system seems broken... there is also a lack of transparency.

I think these changes would help to increase car counts, and promote a little more trust in NHRA's relationship with Sportsman racers. Some good ideas could come from this arrangement as well.... a substantive and reasonable exchange of ideas between NHRA and racers is needed (where have we heard THAT before??)

[Greg Hill]

Ed you are right on the money. If NHRA doesn't survive the top guys will just walk away with more money than they came with.

[Herbie Null]

I have been hit with 17 horsepower in the last two years, because of this I can no longer even think about going to INDY. I can not afford to to get a 65,000 dollar colbalt, pro trans etc. If it takes lowering the index by 3 tenths, to keep the big dogs from getting me more horsepower, then i am all for it. The big money will always be fast, I am just running out of lead.This is just my opion, and I respect the rest of yours.

[Bobby DiDomenico]

Originally Posted by Big Road

Do you know what kills me about this .You guys bitch and moan about moving the indexes do you know what stock and super stock is A PERFORMANCE CLASS. if you want to bracket race go to your local track and stop bitching If you want to race nats and divionals make your car faster!!!!!

Not even mentioning this huge revision, if Stock and Super Stock are performance based classes, why don't those who feel so strongly push for all "heads-up" runs off of the index?

You know, like Top Stock, first car across the finish line wins?
Your head start comes from the index, no dial ins. First or worst red light.
Now that would be performance based. Anything else is dial in, just that the guys with the slower class cars get shafted because they are the only ones running heads up....

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Bobby DiDomenico

Not even mentioning this huge revision, if Stock and Super Stock are performance based classes, why don't those who feel so strongly push for all "heads-up" runs off of the index?

You know, like Top Stock, first car across the finish line wins?
Your head start comes from the index, no dial ins. First or worst red light.
Now that would be performance based. Anything else is dial in, just that the guys with the slower class cars get shafted because they are the only ones running heads up....

That was done in the mid 70's and it didnt work....the same 2 or 3 cars (racers) won all of the events. One was a dollar ninety eight 63 Pontiac station wagon in Super Stock. How would you like being out HP factored against your $100,000 + Cobalt? Stock was no better.

[Sean Cour]

Originally Posted by Marvin Robinson

SS Engine Guy has nailed the heart of the problem... If NHRA is going to continue to factor (which I think is a good way to equalize the cars, given the CORRECT factors for each combo), they need to man up and get it done right to eliminate "sweet" combinations and take the penalties that exist for some off the table. (428 Pontiac gets less hp than 455 with same heads and cam??? 455 Olds gets same hp with or without RamAir??? - soft factors for Ford CJ and some smallblock Chevy combos?? there are other examples, but you get the point)

They also need to be more responsive to input from respected racers... maybe a REAL S/SS consulting board consisting of a half dozen or so racers/builders in each division?? You can let the racers vote on thier own representatives, then let the tech directors and racer's advisory board hash this stuff out. I know some of this is supposed to be going on already, but the system seems broken... there is also a lack of transparency.

I think these changes would help to increase car counts, and promote a little more trust in NHRA's relationship with Sportsman racers. Some good ideas could come from this arrangement as well.... a substantive and reasonable exchange of ideas between NHRA and racers is needed (where have we heard THAT before??)

Marvin-

The factoring will never make everyone happy. You know why? Because their will always be the spenders to go fast, and the ones that just want to be able to run under the index.

Their is nothing wrong with this scenario. But when NHRA decides to do something, it effects everyone, slow or fast. The way the AHFS is now, is better than it use to be. I absolutely hated the fact that the human element was dishing out horsepower. If NHRA didn't like you, you got h.p. If "you made it look too easy" you received h.p.. At least people know how the h.p. is dealt now.

I thought something was being done when we elected the Sportsman Racing Committee. That lasted a long time, didn't it? NHRA doesn't want us, at least at National events. They're trying to do less policing...i.e. lowering indexes and raising triggers.

Now we have racer's complaining about the factors. The racers made these factors (most of them) the way they are. When I started racing the 350/295-300 was rated at 310 in SS. It's now 327, after three years. When I was racing stock with a '97 Camaro, LT-1, it was 275. I think now it's 341. This is all done by the racers.

Yes, NHRA has it's faults, lots of them. If you follow any of the Pro's, they also aren't happy all of the time.

I friend once told me a pretty good line...Don't hate the player, hate the game! Sometimes that's all this is, a game.

[Bobby DiDomenico]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

That was done in the mid 70's and it didnt work....the same 2 or 3 cars (racers) won all of the events. One was a dollar ninety eight 63 Pontiac station wagon in Super Stock. How would you like being out HP factored against your $100,000 + Cobalt? Stock was no better.

Thanks TB, that is my point EXACTLY!

Is that Jack Mullins you are talking about?



That was done in the mid 70's and it didnt work....the same 2 or 3 cars (racers) won all of the events. One was a dollar ninety eight 63 Pontiac station wagon in Super Stock. How would you like being out HP factored against your $100,000 + Cobalt? Stock was no better.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Todd Hoven

Is that Jack Mullins you are talking about?



That was done in the mid 70's and it didnt work....the same 2 or 3 cars (racers) won all of the events. One was a dollar ninety eight 63 Pontiac station wagon in Super Stock. How would you like being out HP factored against your $100,000 + Cobalt? Stock was no better.

Yep. Dont get me wrong though.....I thought it was cool when he was slaying the "Big Dogs"....lol. The program just didnt work.

[Don Kennedy]

In "My Opinion" :

Several "Changes" from NHRA helped save Stock and Super Stock racing .

The implantation of The Index system to create a level playing field.

The almost perfect altitude correction factor to the indexes to help level the playing field

The implantation of The GT classes in Super Stock to create some new classes race on Sunday sell on Monday

The involvement of the factories in the GT Classes when the "new " GT classes were started

The automatic factoring system overhaul to help level the playing field

Allowing the hemis cars to have their own class to create some excitement of fans of these cars

Having Chrysler and Ford be involved in Stock and Super Stock to insure the future of Super Stock and Stock racing with factory backing .


I am sure there are others these just came to my mind of which all have came from NHRA to create a level playing field for their customers . If anyone wants to belittle my comments or call me names or disagree simply e-mail me and at donkennedy1@cox.net . this way would be more effective for you lol

But if you can discuss in a Manner that shows you have some class simply discuss the subject in a civil way Post on this web site .

Thanks
Don