Toyota Supra in Stock Eliminator (Poll)

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by RKelliher

...what gm trans did toyota use.

The Supra was built as a joint venture with BMW. Hence the B58 engine. BMW has a history of running GM transmissions.....

In my opinion, everyone should be able to replace their 40 year old case with an SFI three speed. But that is a thought for another day....

[e vassar]

Originally Posted by RKelliher

also JR, your car is a gm car, you can run a gm 12-bolt and a gm metric 200, but you can't run a dana rear or ford rear end in stock. what gm trans did toyota use.

NHRA has been allowing a live axle swap for years in IRS cars..nothing new here. Personally I don't care if it's a 12bolt 9" ford or Chrysler 8 3/4. Maybe NHRA is considering clean up and down time at national events if they mandate a smaller unit.
I think if I was Darren I would be asking for a 12bolt considering parasitic losses with a Ford 9"

[Justin Graham]

Originally Posted by RKelliher

your poll says net good, net bad instead of not good, not bad

I’m certain it’s a play on words. I do it a lot. It’s like gonna or gunna instead of going to….

Competition begets competition, it’s all relative to what we do. I’m guessing it’s the homologation of parts making a Toyota legal in Stock Eliminator that some folks don’t like. There must be something legal for it to happen, which apparently it’s just that…going to happen. I doubt GUMP would invest in it, if he didn’t feel it was possible. Sub 9 sec runs have become a norm, it’ll just be weird seeing a Toyota Supra at or near the top of the sheet.

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by Justin Graham

I?m certain it?s a play on words. I do it a lot. It?s like gonna or gunna instead of going to?.

Competition begets competition, it?s all relative to what we do. I?m guessing it?s the homologation of parts making a Toyota legal in Stock Eliminator that some folks don?t like. There must be something legal for it to happen, which apparently it?s just that?going to happen. I doubt GUMP would invest in it, if he didn?t feel it was possible. Sub 9 sec runs have become a norm, it?ll just be weird seeing a Toyota Supra at or near the top of the sheet.

Seeing a Toyota No.1 in the Stock Eliminator qualifying sheet is one thing, however seeing a Toyota (anything) in the winner's circle is something totally different! I'll tell you this, with all of the crap I've read about Toyota's, Nissan's, Subaru's, and Mitsubishi's being better vehicles than our American branded vehicles, I'm still waiting for one of them to get their FWD compacts to come out and play with my Z24, Dennis's Dodge Shadow, and Billy's Cavalier, Brent and Gary's Charger's, and Mark's Escort! Moreover, "IF" they'd survive an elimination round against any of our cars, there's still a slew of Camaros, Challengers, Mustangs, and many other RWD muscle cars, that they'd have to survive to impress me!

How about it Toyota, where's the FX16, or the Supra's? Honda, where's your CRX's, Accords, Prelude's, and Acura Integra's? Subaru, you too....where's your performance cars? Mitsubishi tried once, come back and try again? While we're at it, let's get the Hyundai's and Kia's into the mix as well? European muscle cars in Stock? How about it Volkswagen, BMW, Porsche, Audi lovers? Let's make it international! I'll put my dollars in American branded cars!!!!

I'm a little late to this dance, because I had some significant family losses these past two months, but I'm back now, and as soon as I can build back up some vacation time, I'm heading back to the track, and definitely looking forward to 2026, now that I have my parents as heavenly angels to watch me!

[JP1738]

Originally Posted by RKelliher

your poll says net good, net bad instead of not good, not bad

It's not a typo, I don't think you understand the phrase.

"Net" is another word for sum. In this instance, a Net Positive or Net good means that the sum of all of the parts or implications of this subject matter adds up to be a good thing. Maybe you don't like that it has a Ford rear-end, but that is outweighed by adding a new manufacturer to the guide and the potentiality of including new, younger racers to STK.

So:
net good=you are for it
net bad=you are against it

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by JP1738

It's not a typo, I don't think you understand the phrase.

"Net" is another word for sum. In this instance, a Net Positive or Net good means that the sum of all of the parts or implications of this subject matter adds up to be a good thing. Maybe you don't like that it has a Ford rear-end, but that is outweighed by adding a new manufacturer to the guide and the potentiality of including new, younger racers to STK.

So:
net good=you are for it
net bad=you are against it

What do I do if I "LOSE" the poll?

[L.Fite]

Originally Posted by GUMP

What do I do if I "LOSE" the poll?

Press on, I guess...

[L.Fite]

So...
My beef isn't adding cars to the class...
I actually think it is a good thing...
But...
There are a lot of show room cars/combos not in the guide...

My personal opinion, and that's all it is, an opinion, not advocating any changes other than to approach things evenly and fairly...
I've always thought the COPOs, Drag Packs, etc. all with the blown, turbo charged, non corporate rear end, transmission, should have been placed in Super Stock...
I equate these with the Factory Stock stuff from back in the day I guess...

It wouldn't have been hard to put 12 bolt in the COPO, 9" in FOMOCO, Dana in Chrysler, etc. from the beginning...

Alas...
That ship sailed a long time ago...

It amazes me that the manufacturers and NHRA went through the trouble of building and getting these cars in the guide while ignoring the actual show room cars...
And yet GUMP has had to do all the leg work to get this car accepted...
Was there a concerted effort by the manufacturers to get these other paper cars done?
Or was there a group of racers that got together and did the leg work to get these cars built?

The 2008 and up rear rule was already there, and GUMP was able to justify the transmission, (circuitous as the logic may be)...
Didn't Ford and GM build an 8 or 10 speed trans for the Camaro and Mustang? (Did that project make it to production?)
How far a stretch is, any trans in any car?
So I don't see what all the heartburn is about...

As I said MY opinion is I think it is a better fit in Super Stock, just due to some of the rules I don't agree with, but there are other cars out there that are built using the same rules running in Stock...

GUMP spent a lot of time and resources to get this done...
It's a good looking car...
I applaud him for his efforts...
Wish him luck and hope to see it in person at the races.

As for me, I'm building an OLD car and will use whatever enhancements currently allowed, and any that pop up in the future...

[GUMP]

My understanding is that the FS cars came about when some "car guys" at the Big Three got together to do something cool. I'm amazed that they were able to convince the management to sign off on the programs.

A neat piece of trivia is that MPR did the concept car for all three. Mike is a friend of mine, so I made sure that he has a little DNA in the Supra too.

As far as the production cars go, there aren't many people left at the OEMs that understand what we do. The only way that I have found to get new combinations in the guide is to be polite and patient. The guys that have helped me didn't have to. They are just good people.

[BRETV]

Originally Posted by GUMP

What do I do if I "LOSE" the poll?

Win class at Indy and make for damn sure it passes teardown. LOL




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