index lowering

[Cglrcng]

Originally Posted by JGrossijr

"In the end do you want to work on your stuff just to get hp and slow it down or do you really want to work to go faster and set higher goals for yourself? I choose going faster. This is still a performance based class and should stay that way."

Well stated Mr. Dona

For those concerned about less favorable combinations, there is a mechanism within AHFS to help make those combinations more competitive and more will qualify for that help if indexes are lowered.
Currently, more combinations qualify for hits than help, which is a clear indication the indexes need downward adjustment.

It means their indexes need adjustment, not all class indexes. Who received a text? I paid my dues, I paid my entry fees, am at the track now, and still in the pits currently...I have received no texts and my phone/text number is on the tech card that was electronically submitted to NHRA for this LODRS event.

I will ck. My email next. That address is also listed on that same Tech Card.

Or are only certain fast guys participating or invited to participate in such a poll? All memberships are equal, we all pay the same price to join/ be a member, and same price to compete.

It is performance based. That is why there is an AHFS. You earn the hit, or are afraid to earn the HP hit, that is a choice each faces alone. If I earn it I will take it willingly...until then, that is my choice, and believe it or not...it is my short term goal, but I have far to achieve that goal, but those are my goals, with my car...Please leave me to accomplish them in my time only and within my budget.

The Stock Category and Classes are not dying...There are well over 500 stockers out there across the country actively running in 2024 just look at the current National Standings/points chase listing of points (contrary to 1320 posts)...Don't kill it by blanket lowering indexes willy/nilly 3 tenths please.

Please add my no vote to any poll Matt.

Thanks,

Gary Lucier.

Jim, the text I received from a fellow racer was letting me know what was being discussed at the track . To my knowledge no texts were sent out regarding indexes..

M

Originally Posted by Cglrcng

It means their indexes need adjustment, not all class indexes. Who received a text? I paid my dues, I paid my entry fees, am at the track now, and still in the pits currently...I have received no texts and my phone/text number is on the tech card that was electronically submitted to NHRA for this LODRS event.

I will ck. My email next. That address is also listed on that same Tech Card.

Or are only certain fast guys participating or invited to participate in such a poll? All memberships are equal, we all pay the same price to join/ be a member, and same price to compete.

It is performance based. That is why there is an AHFS. You earn the hit, or are afraid to earn the HP hit, that is a choice each faces alone. If I earn it I will take it willingly...until then, that is my choice, and believe it or not...it is my short term goal, but I have far to achieve that goal, but those are my goals, with my car...Please leave me to accomplish them in my time only and within my budget.

The Stock Category and Classes are not dying...There are well over 500 stockers out there across the country actively running in 2024 just look at the current National Standings/points chase listing of points (contrary to 1320 posts)...Don't kill it by blanket lowering indexes willy/nilly 3 tenths please.

Please add my no vote to any poll Matt.

Thanks,

Gary Lucier.

[B Parker]

I'd like to see only a .10 off index and mine shaft conditions. Kind of the best for both worlds. BP

PLEASE DO SOMETHING to bring back some performance.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by JGrossijr

"[I] For those concerned about less favorable combinations, there is a mechanism within AHFS to help make those combinations more competitive and more will qualify for that help if indexes are lowered.
Currently, more combinations qualify for hits than help, which is a clear indication the indexes need downward adjustment.

Well then THAT mechanism will need to be changed too! As it stands right now, it will take 4 years to get 2 tenths worth of HP back. The "valvetrain enhancements" just slow down a lower HP combo. What about some of the older combos which were arbitrarily given HP before even going to the track? How about NHRA does what it did with the 302/2V FFFord combos? Any non or no longer competitive combo which has never been "hit" with HP goes back to it's original Manufacturers HP rating???

[Cglrcng]

Fast guys gonna and want to go fast. In all classes. The best solution is not to kill the rest of the category. Leave me my shoe polish and leave me alone, as I am not your problem or issue. The faster the guy is in the other lane the more my juices are flowing as you look like a rocket/missle/and bullet all rolled into 1 as we start dancing together at the stripe. It is what excites me most as I have certainly "Embraced the Slow" along with your Fast!

Your issue is with the AHFS period...So, ask instead that the AHFS trigger point be raised thst 3 tenths. Then it benefits all classes in the category for all that go really fast. And it hurts nobody.

Lobby instead the trigger point be 1.60 instead of 1.30. Issue resolved until and except for the 2 second under gang.

And if you are running that fast it should be in Super Stock anyway. Lol.

[Bobby Fazio]

This is a little more complicated than a yes or no broad brush ruling. It would need to be looked at closely and probably have some statistical analysis to go behind it. Stk & SS will show different numbers of course. Some classes have sticks and autos where the auto gets a generous break. I'll use my SS/L index 11.25 as an example while SS/LA is 11.45. Some classes have the same index for both. L/SA and L/S are both 12.70 after a small .05 jump from K/SA while the jump from J/SA to K/SA is .20. Going down the alphabet, sometimes the jump is .15-.20ish and then it's .05 or .10 so some indexes don't really make sense either. Draginsights Analytics tab shows the quickest runs made in each class since 2015.

[SDmopar]

I?d be for the change if there were 1/8 mile index triggers for afhs. Personally I?d rather see personal index similar to comp.

[RileyRacingEntrprises]

Don't touch indexes

AHFS - make the average 1 second or faster for adjustments and only runs 1.20 or quicker trigger an immediate review.

Now you have helped the slower guys make index and the faster guys can go fast if they want to

[StockerStang912]

I'm sure many feel constrained by the AFHS rules and trying to manage a combo's horsepower and lowering indexes are a way to accommodate that. I don't necessarily see where this encourages more actual heads-up ...certainly less 1,000 foot or detuned qualifying, but doesn't really move the needle in the "spirit" of heads-up class races.

I'd rather see consideration for class consolidation (i.e. sticks and autos combined into 1, reduced weight breaks, etc.) if the goal is to encourage heads up racing. But if most racers really don't want this and it's more important to try and qualify better, than the index piece is a good solution for that. Just depends on what goal is trying to be accomplished.

As far as new blood, S/SS is a really tough sell to a younger crowd even though it's an awesome class (I'm 37 which puts me on the real "young" side of the curve). It's expensive, nuanced, sort-of-performance-but-not and really tough to win. I don't think lowering indexes helps draw more participation, but also don't think it matters much as 2 tenths are not keeping 50 new cars from being built...lot of other things would impact the challenging draw for younger people.

[HR9121]

I don't think lowering the indexes solve the problem as stated I think it just discourages people from entering with a new combination. What would help is actually letting the AHFS do it's job. Every race that it could actually do some good at people are lobbying for those runs not to count is exactly why it hasn't done anything in the past couple years. Raising the automatic hit to 1.30 and extending the review period to the entire year has made it almost impossible for anyone to actually get the horsepower and for the system to get some of these combinations inline.
If the current rules were in place a few years ago my Stocker would still be at 245/263 instead of 245/281.
Ed 1320 I'll have to disagree with you on your 10-15 year prediction since everyone was saying the same thing 10-15 years ago and Stock and SS still remain the highest entries at division races and are the most difficult to enter National events.