index lowering

[1320racer]

Originally Posted by J.R. Haddad

1320, I love Truth and Facts, when I hear them. Based on your level of
credibility on this and other forums, I'm not sure I am hearing them.
Now, unlike others on this forum, I won't engage in a battle of wits with
those that are under equipped. Now, what part of the Truth and Facts
don't you like.

I still ain’t feeling the camaraderie!

Originally Posted by J.R. Haddad

This used to be such a nice site to visit and share some camaraderie and
teasing with fellow racers. Not so much anymore.

With replies like this you’re part of the problem!

Lowering the indexes helps some and hurts others. There are a few new/beginning racers out there trying to get established. To keep them coming back and not getting discouraged, I say keep the indexes where they are.
I?d like to see a change in the AFHS rule, where the mineshaft rule is brought back. That at least makes the racing where the conditions are favorable, fun because you don?t have to kill the car so much it?s difficult to do and at least if someone goes fast it doesn?t kill the combo,
I?d like to see the GT classification rule applied to stock that allows cars that can safely, and legally move more than one class from the natural designation. That would allow some car that can get light or heavy enough to run a harder class, and not have to run so soft.

[StockerStang912]

I'm sure many feel constrained by the AFHS rules and trying to manage a combo's horsepower and lowering indexes are a way to accommodate that. I don't necessarily see where this encourages more actual heads-up ...certainly less 1,000 foot or detuned qualifying, but doesn't really move the needle in the "spirit" of heads-up class races.

I'd rather see consideration for class consolidation (i.e. sticks and autos combined into 1, reduced weight breaks, etc.) if the goal is to encourage heads up racing. But if most racers really don't want this and it's more important to try and qualify better, than the index piece is a good solution for that. Just depends on what goal is trying to be accomplished.

As far as new blood, S/SS is a really tough sell to a younger crowd even though it's an awesome class (I'm 37 which puts me on the real "young" side of the curve). It's expensive, nuanced, sort-of-performance-but-not and really tough to win. I don't think lowering indexes helps draw more participation, but also don't think it matters much as 2 tenths are not keeping 50 new cars from being built...lot of other things would impact the challenging draw for younger people.

[Frank Castros]

You never will until you compete on the same level. Mind your own business.

[Bob Sherwood]

Originally Posted by J.R. Haddad

1320, I love Truth and Facts, when I hear them. Based on your level of
credibility on this and other forums, I'm not sure I am hearing them.
Now, unlike others on this forum, I won't engage in a battle of wits with
those that are under equipped. Now, what part of the Truth and Facts
don't you like.

J.R.

Thank you JR for being so eloquent with someone so ignorant.- His response time is a mere handful of minutes-is he obsessed with getting his opinion out there ? I understand why he doesn't use his name now that someone jogged my memory-Ed Bigley -what was it that he did to gather so much notoriety ??

[bigshow2966]

I recall his charming personality got him booted off Yellowbullet, and that's an accomplishment.

[Herbie Null]

Great job on the data Avery, it really shows how we as a collective group can askew the data in performance when a certain percentage try to get their average below .850 so a HP hit does not come our way. When you take a look at INDY qualifying the last 2 years it would be cool to see how that data aligns with yearly AHFS data. Indy data to me would be the real performance data since the AHFS is turned off. I really believe nothing is coming from all of this, just continue to slow those cars down for the averages is the new game.

[AveryMcLawhorn]

Originally Posted by Herbie Null

Great job on the data Avery, it really shows how we as a collective group can askew the data in performance when a certain percentage try to get their average below .850 so a HP hit does not come our way. When you take a look at INDY qualifying the last 2 years it would be cool to see how that data aligns with yearly AHFS data. Indy data to me would be the real performance data since the AHFS is turned off. I really believe nothing is coming from all of this, just continue to slow those cars down for the averages is the new game.

Hey Herbie shoot me a message on what exactly you want to see and I will be happy to show for the group. My biggest point ever is we live in a data world and should make data driven decisions.

[GUMP]

If they do decide to lower the indexes, I feel that they should consider not making any upward HP adjustments at the end of the year.

[Andy Friar]

Originally Posted by AveryMcLawhorn

Hey Herbie shoot me a message on what exactly you want to see and I will be happy to show for the group. My biggest point ever is we live in a data world and should make data driven decisions.

Along the lines of data, I have always wondered what the number of heads up runs is a year, in STK and SS. Compared the total number of eliminations runs. Div and Nat events.

How many events this year were full fields that had DNQ's? Indy, BG and the Columbus Sportsnationals, or did I screw that up?