Ways to check on the use of illegal devices

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Doug Hoven

Now the real question is whether or not anyone would be so clever, or go through the amount of effort for the lousy purse we have, and something like this. My personal guess would be no, but ya never know.

Ya know, to certain types, winning at any cost is everything!

[J.R. Haddad]

To the under educated, what type of starting devices do we think are
being used. I would like to know what to look for in a competitors
car.

Thanks,

J.R.

[SS3860]

As a long time bracket racer that just started running stock last year, I can tell you with the quality of tourqe converters, tires and knowledgeable carb builders today. Making a car run dead on is not near as difficult as it was years ago. I've left the same dial in on my bracket car for several weeks. Catching someone using a delay box is just a matter having eyes watching. My advise is, if you think someone is cheating pay attention and put up the protest money and have them tore down.

Tom Flowers
3860 E/SA

[bigshow2966]

Seeing when someone lets go of the button is easy. Have 1 reverse light wired to the button.

Of course, it they bottom bulb and only have .03-.10 delay in you'd never see it.

Anybody else remember the infamous 'Willy Raymond' thread? It created a big stir, and was all crap.

[Henrys Toy]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Ya know, to certain types, winning at any cost is everything!

Good afternoon Billy & Doug and to all,
I couldn't have said that any better myself !
I'm sure we've seen it already to may times.

Respectfully,
Henry Kunz 1534 H/SA

[1320racer]

cheating in motorsports is nothing new and has been done in every venue probably since the very first time 2 cars or a group of cars lined up. Many of the biggest names in motorsports have won numerous championship and millions by either exploiting the grey rules or outright cheating so say what makes you feel good about yourself on an internet forum but some of your heroes wouldn't be if they didn't cheat. No one who has is going to hell no mind going to prison and/or paying restitution. We all know the Dodge Boys/Wayne County cheated yet nothing was done because of who their sponsor was but Jerry Eckman was ostracized.

Some of the stock guys that say they would never cheat are the same guys that have their heads and manifolds ported(I've seen their heads and manifolds being ported years ago at a big name shop) and then justify it in their mind by saying there's no way racer x is running what he does without porting so I'm going to do it too.

[Billy Nees]

Hey Ed, neither Henry nor I mentioned the word "cheating". You did.

[1320racer]

Billy this entire thread is about cheating and when you state...

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

winning at any cost is everything!

EVERYONE knows you are implying cheating!

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by 1320racer

Billy this entire thread is about cheating and when you state...


EVERYONE knows you are implying cheating!

Ed, you're ASSuming. I was talking about money. ;-)

[Doug Hoven]

Originally Posted by 1320racer

Some of the stock guys that say they would never cheat are the same guys that have their heads and manifolds ported(I've seen their heads and manifolds being ported years ago at a big name shop) and then justify it in their mind by saying there's no way racer x is running what he does without porting so I'm going to do it too.

Unfortunately cylinder heads and manifolds being ported is not something that will ever go back to the way it used to be. I'm sure if cylinder heads started being policed as strict as the rulebook states, their wouldn't be such a large group of racers lobbying to lower the indexes by 3 tenths. It's sort of like the speed limit. While those going 85mph in a 65 are breaking the law, you don't get a reward for doing 65. There's an interesting story I've heard of someone getting thrown out at Indy when 3 cylinder heads from 3 different cars with supposedly identical castings were inspected at the same time. 2 out of the 3 had ported heads, the other one didn't. Guess who was thrown out....